Ever felt like church gave you feelings but not footing?
We sat down with host and seeker-turned-builder, Cassian Bellino, to unpack how a lifelong Christian who still felt lost found a third way: a scholar-driven, heart-forward podcast that makes Scripture make sense.
Cassian shares the honest prayer that changed everything—“I want to want You”—and the surprising chain of providence that followed: a pastor on a plane, a tour group full of academics, a bold ask to a renowned scientist, and a growing roster of theologians and researchers eager to serve curious minds.
A powerful thread running through her story is fasting and surrender. What began as a health practice became a spiritual breakthrough—72 hours that replaced cravings with worship, confusion with clarity, and striving with trust. We talk practical rhythms too: caring for the body, steadying emotions, and creating space so God’s promptings land. If you’ve wrestled with doubt, felt behind, or thought you had to earn closeness with God, this is a roadmap: pray honestly, take the next right step, and let Him handle the how.
If you’re a PhD or scholar with a gift for clear teaching, Cassian wants to hear from you: bibspeak.com. And if you’re seeking purpose, consider this your nudge: say yes to the small obedience in front of you.
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Transcript:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Hey light bringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Release Outreveal Purpose. And today is Cassian Bellino. I love saying that. She’s of Italian origin and now living in Honolulu, poor her in Hawaii. And so that’s where she’s hailing from. And she reached out to me on release.reve purpose. And when I read her biography, I was thinking, yes, I definitely want her on the show. And it’s because we’re in a state of affairs in the in this fallen world where people are turning away from God and they’re blaming him for things that are happening politically in the United States. Um they’re assigning blame when things go wrong, but yet when things go right, he doesn’t get credit. And we’re both light warriors. We have both been charged to step into our missions very fully in trying to get more people to consider scripture, to consider the Bible as the word and the guidance for this fallen world. So without further ado, Cassian, thank you so much for joining us on Release Out Revealed Purpose.
Sylvia, thank you so much for having me. I’m so glad to be here.
Yes, and I’m already feeling the feels from the Holy Spirit. So I know you’re about to be on the podcast today. So he’s ready to begin. So tell us your story of transformation. Why did you land in this particular space?
You know, it’s been a lifelong journey that I’ve been on. Uh I was raised in the Christian faith. Like I have three older siblings, two parents still together, thank God. And we were like very Christian. We weren’t just like a Church and Easter family. We were a family that like went to church every single week. And it was like dad’s Orthodox church one Sunday, and my mom’s non-denominational the other Sunday. So like I don’t really have like a leg to stand on of like I didn’t know the faith. I knew the faith, which was the problem, is that I was raised in it. And you know, getting in trouble, we we always like root back to like, well, this isn’t who God wants you to be. Like he was part of our daily daily dialogue. And so when I exited high school and I was going through college, like I was the worst of the worst. I had you would not know that I was Christian just by the way that I was living, but then I would go home and like this is my family. So I knew that when I exited college, I wanted to become a woman that was a woman of God. I knew that I looked at my mother with admiration and I wanted to become like her, but I just had to be honest with myself that I was doing the motions, but I didn’t inherently feel it. And my prayer for the longest time was, God, I I want to want you. I want to be on fire for you, but I’m not. There’s just, A, I it looks weird. B, I don’t get it. B, C, I love my sin. And at the end of the day, if I was being honest with myself, I just didn’t know him. Like I just didn’t have enough data, which to me was wild because I had been going to church. Isn’t that the expectation? We go to church, we learn about God, that’s sufficient, and we should be Christian enough. Because if I wanted to become a pastor, then I’d go to seminary, but I don’t want to become a pastor. I just thought I would go into I was gonna go to church and understand. So it was this weird moment where like my expectations were just not aligned with what I needed, and I expected me to exit church knowing exactly what I needed to know that would be sufficient. So it all kind of culminated when I lived in Thailand after college. I had my first job and I was the first time living alone, first time living abroad. Like it was so many things. I was so far, so homesick, and I was going to this church, and it was great. It was so multicultural. The pastors were Swedish, husband and wife, um, it was half Thai, half English. And I thought I was being helpful when I went up to the pastor one day and I said, Listen, I love the service, but when you go into the book of John, could you just give some background on John? I thought I was being helpful by suggesting this to the pastor, telling her how to do her job. And, you know, how old is John? Where is he in the world? What’s going on geopolitically? I would love some context. That would help me understand why we’re reading what we’re reading. And she said, Cass, you’re so great. I think you should just join our Bible study. I said, I’m already in it, I’m already in it, and this is still not what we’re getting. This Bible study is all how does this make you feel? And where are you at this week? Which is a great support system. But again, my expectation was Bible study would exit me knowing the Bible, studying the Bible, giving me context, sitting with somebody that could explain it. And I wasn’t getting that. So I was getting really frustrated. And she said, Okay, you’re in the Bible study, maybe you should go to seminary. And again, I I felt again, she’s not doing anything wrong. Her job is to pastor me. She’s getting great suggestions, but I, as a believer, felt abandoned in a way that I either stay confused or I go to seminary. And like, I was working in tech. So that wasn’t like part of the plan, part of the finances, part of the budget. And I remember not long after sitting at lunch with a friend and saying, Gosh, I just wish there was a podcast where there was a smart person who wasn’t a pastor, was just talking facts, and then a really funny person because I think that we have a sense of humor because God gave us one. Um, and my friend jokingly replied and was like, You and I should do it. I’m like, We’re idiots. We’re the last ones that do this. And um, and so since then, I remember it was like October 2018. God just be can’t like began something in my heart. I just continued praying that I want to want you, and I was looking for this podcast because surely it it existed. Um, you know, I’m not the smartest person in the room, so like surely someone else had already done this, and I couldn’t find it. I couldn’t find it on YouTube videos. I was joining Bible studies and they were all touchy-feely. The YouTube videos were too academic, and I just like couldn’t find something to meet me where I was at. And I even a few years later, even found a podcast during the road trip that was a man talking about the differences in origin stories between paganistic gods and the god of Genesis. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is it. This is the thing I’ve been looking for, and I couldn’t, I couldn’t find it again. So it’s like God was like, This is what’s possible, this is what’s possible. And in the meantime, this like he was working on my heart posture of like, you know, church is weird, Christian people are weird. He started bringing books into my life, books that like change my perspective, like you know, the book of longing and you know, redeeming love, and you know, crazy love, you know, those like life changers. And so my life was like, whoa, I’m I’m seeing God from this new perspective that I can relate to. It’s not cringy and weird, it’s like something I could see becoming part of my identity. Um and then I ended up going through this breakup, which you know, well, it’s a breakup, but it gave me a vision from God and it showed me what it means to be unequally yoked, and he put me in a Bible study of like prayer warriors, where like it wasn’t scholastic or scholarly, but it was very, very within the word and very encouraging, and you know, women that held me accountable, and that kind of was the five-year period until I ended up in Hawaii, and I moved here three years ago, and I’m in Hawaii. I’m like, Maggie, my sister, who’s always been kind of like a an advocate for my faith, just has always been there for me. I was like, I still haven’t found that podcast. She’s like, Well, maybe you’re supposed to do it. And I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don’t say crazy things. Uh, you got the wrong girl. Like, did you see me in college? Do you see my digital footprint? Like me representing the faith. That’s a horrible idea. Like, I just I already know what people would say. I also like wasn’t that public about my faith. Um, I also like didn’t know anything about podcasting. I also didn’t have any guess. Like, I knew what I wanted, I knew exactly what I wanted the podcast to be. But there were so many missing pieces. And so once she planted that seed, it was six months of me telling God no, and like, trust me, you don’t want me to do this. And I’m so glad he responded because it was like very clearly him being like, You don’t know how to podcast, here’s someone that walks you through it. If you don’t have guests, here are guests. You have fear of this, let me like bring encouragement into your life. And so when I started it, it really was like, no one’s gonna listen. So no one’s gonna know it fails. Um, hopefully, and someone’s like, Well, maybe, and this is like kind of what was like the kicker is someone goes, listen, I don’t think God wants you to make a podcast. I think God just wants to hang out with you. I’m like, oh, why didn’t you just say that? So I just um created it and then it took off. And so now we’re here two years later, this month.
I love your story because it sounds so much like so many people I know. It sounds like what? It sounds like a lot of people I’ve interviewed on the show because this podcast is the spiritual journey that God takes you on. That’s the gist of release at reveal purpose, and that you’re coming out of dark chapters, uh, some darker than others, and the light is always there. He’s always just there waiting for you to just ask him. Because he takes care of the how. He doesn’t have he doesn’t put that on you. All he wants from you is for you to stay obedient to his promptings, and he had been prompting me for two years. He prompted me for over 10 years to write the first edition to my book, and I told him no, because who was I to share my experience in overcoming, navigating major change in life? I wasn’t a psychologist, I was a life coach in 2017, but not when he was prompting me. When he was prompting me, I was in corporate America. I was about to get divorced for the first time, and our my girlfriends and I had gone to see eprey love, which is about a spiritual transformative journey that Julia Roberts goes through as um Gilbert, uh the author of E Pre Love, and and I remember walking out of the movie theater and getting the first prompting, the first seed of write the Hispanic version of E Pre Love. And I’m like, whoa, whoa, where did that come from? And it stayed there, and then but I told it no because of my fear-based belief systems, like who was I? But I forgot that I’m a child of his, I’m his heir. When you are the heir of the the creator of life, of the entire universe, of the body that we inhabit. I think he knows a little bit more than I do, you know, in that regard. So who was I to tell him no eventually, right? And 2020 rolls around and he tells me, You need to write the book. Trust me, it’s time, and you need to, and it was relentless, he would not let it go. And at that point, my relationship with him had grown significantly in those years, and I had been through a near-death experience where he gave me three miracles within 72 hours. I should have died multiple times in 2012. That’s my free chapter on my webpage, and so at the end of like I always share my web page so that people can go and download it so you can see that God is very real, very, very real. And when you invite him in, he will take over, he will tick the wheel of your life and he will guide you, he will take care of the how. You’re not expected to do that, you are expected to stay obedient to the prompting. So, whatever he’s telling you to do, you got to do that part, he’ll do the rest, and that’s that co-creation that we experience with the Holy Spirit. That was the whole purpose of the Holy Spirit was for us to have what those guys had. Like, I would have killed to have lived during Jesus’ time. I probably would have been part of his ministry. I followed him around. He was so cool. I mean, he hung out with people that were the pariahs of that society, and people forget that about him. They think he’s I would be one of the pariahs that he’s like, he’d be like, uh, you don’t need to have a chat. And it’s like, no, you don’t want to chat with me. Like, who am I? I don’t feel enough. And he’s like, I am the you are the reason why I’m here. Like that woman in the well. Like, she was like the pariah. No other women would hang out with her. And she was there getting at midday, super hot. And where where is he sitting? He’s sitting outside by the well, and it’s like, Can I have a drink? And she’s like, Who are you? Like, why are you here? He goes, I’m here just to meet you, you specifically, yeah, out of all the people in the world, and she’s like, Why me? And that’s kind of what was going through my mind. Uh Cassian, in all honesty as you were talking, that was that woman from the Bible was you for two. Yes, he came to meet you because you’re that important to his to his kingdom.
Whoa, thank you.
Yeah, you know, so and as I said that, uh, once again, the confirmation of uh, yeah, I I prompted you for a reason because he knows that you have what it takes for that podcast to to take off, as long as you co-create with him. He’s he’s the one that controls, like he’s the one that’s out there making sure people come to you, right? Like if you ask him for help, he will reveal it as long as you do what he’s obeying, you know, asking you to do, prompting you to do. He’ll help you, he’ll help you, absolutely. And you got guests? Tell me more about that. How did the guests suddenly appear?
Oh my gosh, how did the guests suddenly appear? I was weirdly enough, I was dating somebody at the time, and it’s Hawaii, so like most people’s jobs are like tours, so a lot of like tourist phasing and like um yeah, tourism-based jobs. And so he took people on a tour and he was bragging about what I was doing, and he was like, Yeah, she needs scholars. And they’re like, We’re scholars, all of us, all of us are scholars, um, all of our friends are scholars. Let us talk to her. And so I ended up like getting on the phone with this like Catholic professor over in like Mr. Cordia, Dr. Christopher Carr. And I was like, Hi, this is my idea. And I think it just like, and so what did we do? So what did um I got him on the phone and I was like, I don’t this is what I want. I just want to talk about demons from the Catholic perspective. I want to go into like uh Matthew, Mark, and Luke and talk about Legion. Like, okay, we’ll just talk about that. And then I was like, okay, but then I want to talk about angels. And he’s like, okay, this we booked two episodes, and then I was like in the in those six months before I started, I was on a flight and I sat next to this guy who was looking at videos of baptism. And at the time I was on my way to the airport talking about baptism to my brother-in-law, who’s in the Uber with me, sit down next to a guy on the plane, uh Southwest, so it’s like all random. He’s watching baptism, so I’m like, oh my gosh, that is working. And so I was just like, I’m not gonna like this. Is a guy, he’s a pastor, he’s with his family on vacation in Hawaii. I’m not gonna bother this guy about my podcast. So, God, if you I know you want me to talk to him, if you want me to talk to him, he has to come up to me. He has to tap me on the shoulder, which he won’t. I’m a stranger, he’s with his wife and his kids, but he has to come to me. I’m exiting the plane, I’m headphones on, and he taps me on the shoulder and he’s like, Hey, by the way, like if you ever come to Southern California, here’s my church. And I’m like, You have no idea what just happened. I will call you. So he was my third, he was my second guest. And then I think it was just referrals. I think I was just like, if you know anybody else, if you know anybody else, and so people started referring people. Um, and then I saw, you know, Dr. Hugh Ross. I saw him on Instagram and I was like, that’s somebody I want to interview. I saw he was on Kawaii at a church. I went to Kawaii and I came up to him at church and I was like, please come on my podcast. And he came on my podcast. And then he, you know, Reasons to Believe has a scholar network of scholars who are amazing. So I started reaching out to them. Um, what else? I think people just started giving me names and numbers. Like there were a few moments in the first year where I was like, I don’t have any guests. The podcast is done. Because if I don’t have a guest, like people, I’m they’re not here for me. Um, and so that kind of like, thank God I’m booked out till April of next year, you know, we’re in October. So God is good all the time, and I have guests, and it’s getting to the point where I’m like, do I need to take a break? Or but like there was a moment where I was just like, I might just do this for six months because I’ve got nobody else. But then out of the blue, you’d get an email from someone that’s like, hey, I can help you. I’ve interviewed all these people, and I’d be like, Can you give me their emails? Can you give me their phone numbers? And then that helped me another six months. And so it it truly like God just provided. Like it’s absolutely insane the people I’ve been able to have on my show, just like uh Douglas Pastor Douglas Wilson and Dr. Hugh Ross and Dr. John Walton and Dr. James Sedlasek, a lot of the scholars from Is Genesis History, from the Institute for Creation Research. Like, I I it’s so insane, the people that have said yes to me that I have scholar friends now that are like, I would be starstruck if I talk to him, and you’re texting Dr. John Walton?
I was like, We’re human beings and they’re children of gods, yes. They’re human beings, and we’re all and we’re all lightbringers, and we’re all his um, and he’s the one transforming the heart, he’s the one preparing the heart for the information about to be received. So when we pray Ezekiel 3626, and we say, Hey, soften the heart to be able to receive, you know, remove the heart of stone, sometimes when we think of scholars, we think of these arrogant people that are gonna say no because they’ve gotten to super high levels, very academic levels, that they wouldn’t want to have a conversation with the podcast hosts. That if we don’t feel enough, right? But when we when we put on the identity in Christ, now we are on even playing fields, even with the highest of scholars. You know, we’re all in the same category in God’s eyes, right? Truly all believers, and we all repent when he asks us to repent. I’m in that stage now with him. He’s had me move through the different stages I’m gonna be guiding women on. First, I go first, and then, and because my husband’s always like, Why is it taking you longer? And I said, Well, I must be a sinner that just you know is very hard-headed, very stubborn, and he’s like, Oh my goodness, my girl.
And I do think I’m gonna have to like teach you some other way. I think that like I used to feel ashamed about how sinful I am and like how behind I am, but I think like I have slowly learned that when you acknowledge in that act of repentance or that act of seeking God, it breaks your legs into a position that like needs God in a way that you’ve never needed him before. Like, I went through this period of 72 hours of fasting, and I never understood fasting. It felt very transactional to me of like, well, I don’t eat, and then you bless me, like maybe like is that really how God works? That’s just like it’s kind of hard to believe. And then I fasted for 72 hours and I I reached a low point in my like human like carnality of needing him in a way because you’ve never gone without food. So I’ve never been able to call out to God from that place because I never gone without food that long. And so you’re needing him in such like a physical way that also becomes spiritual because he’s the one that fills you, and like in that like my life changed in 72 hours when I fasted. And so I feel like when we sin and like we feel behind, I think acknowledging that and like speaking from truth of like this is where I’m at, and I still need God, like that place that we’re calling out from is the place that we need to be calling out from because it takes us to a place that we never were before.
Yes, and you know what, interestingly enough, in the interview before yours, I asked the expert on fasting because she’s an energy um doctor? No, doctor, no, no, no, she’s not, she’s consulted with energy guides and spiritual guides and different realms, right? And so I always my mission, God gave it to me very clearly was I want you to go find my children, and they’re in different disciplines, and I want you to use humility when you approach them, do not use scripture yet. You need to meet them exactly where they’re at. And um, you need to learn their disciplines, you can speak their language, and I’m a linguist, but as you know, I speak Spanish and French, and that’s why I was so drawn to your last name because I love pronouncing uh especially Italian last names. But point being that he goes, that’s gonna be their language, and that’s the first sign of connection to my children. I need you to just sit there with them, understand their journey, and see if you can’t get them back to me. Now it’s very important work because in the world that we live in currently, there’s so much noise, so much noise out there. But I had just asked someone on fasting, like in her work, had she encountered fasting, and she said no. And so now when you’re talking fasting, I was like, this. Is hilarious because um I’m a life coach by training, but in the last year I had gotten a very big prompting from God to not only tithe our money to the church but to tithe our gifts and our skill sets. And so I told my husband, I was like, I I just I’ve been feeling this pull for a while, and I really just want to step into this light. And I stepped in there and became a life coach for my church, and so I coach community members for six weeks, and then they graduate basically and they move on, and I get a new client every six weeks. And one of the aspects of being a leader at the church was you’ve got to start practicing fasting and practicing the Sabbath. And I had never done fasting before, and I was really curious about I had no experience with that. And right now you’re like, well, I fasted for 72 hours, and you know, the way you meet God, I’m like, thank you for that every shit.
Because I’m really fasting spiritually and physically. I’m a huge advocate for fasting.
So, how do you do it? Can you share a little bit of how you do it?
I’m ashamed to say that I am really good at fasting because I did not fast for the Lord. I got really into fasting because I was intermittent fasting. Um, and then I got really in, and then I read Dr. Perez’s book and fast like a girl, and it was talking about the different health benefits of 24-hour, 40 and 72-hour fasts. I just I get really excited about that kind of stuff. And so I do like a lot of 24-hour fasts. I try to do a 24-hour fast once a week, and that you kind of learn your body. I think I can do it a lot easier than others. Like some people are like, I would kill somebody if I didn’t go if I didn’t have food. I don’t have that problem. You know, I know my limits. And so I think going into the fast, like I wasn’t planning on fasting the day that I did, but I was in a really low place, desperate measures. And I was on, I was talking to a friend and I was like, Man, like you have a Christian business. How do you get back in with God? Because I would say I’m in a bad place with my Christian business. And he’s like, Oh, you should fast. And I was like, No, that’s not what I do. I don’t do that. I only fast for myself. And he’s like, No, you should do a 72-hour fast. And I was like, Whoa, that’s like a really long time. And I wasn’t working at the time, so like it was technically possible, but he’s like, that always gets me in good graces with God, literally. And so it was that morning. Um, and I was like, Okay, okay, I’ll fast. I’ll do a 72-hour fast. And for me, the trick is always eat breakfast first, and then you start your fast. Don’t start it after dinner. You think that it’s easier because you go to bed, but you want to be sleeping at the last because like if you eat breakfast, you go about your day, you go to bed, you wake up, then eat breakfast. Um and so I was like, okay, uh, it’s in the morning, so I’ll do these two shows and then I’ll eat breakfast and then I’ll do it. And I’ve done it where you only eat butter, you eat bone broth, but I was like, I’ll just do coffee and water. And so at the time I was extremely, you know, I was at a low point, I was unemployed, and it was like really taking a toll on me. And I was really lost and I was really confused why God put me in this place after like feeling like I was being pretty honorable to him. Um, and so I did the show, I did another show, and I mentioned, oh, I just decided I’m gonna do a 72-hour fast. And he was like, Yes. And then we spent like an hour talking about it. So it was like reaffirming like the benefits, and he was like, Hey, just so you know, like when you’re in it, read Joel. Um, when you’re in it, like do this. Like he was giving me all these tips and he’s like, This is gonna be amazing for you. And I literally like went into these 72 hours, like, okay, like I know physically I can do this. I know I won’t die, I know I’ll be hungry, but then it’ll pass. And reading books help because it’s like when the hunger hits, that’s when like the health benefits begin. Like, that’s an indicator to your body that like autophagy is beginning. And um I God took me to like the like the corner office of like the president of the company that I now work at. Like within 24 hours, I was like, Where am I? Like, God, where are you taking me? And I think like that prep got me there. But whenever I was hungry, this is so dumb, but it worked for me. Whenever I was hungry, I would start singing, and then I felt full. Like I would just like feel so hungry, and I was like, Okay, I’m just gonna sing some worship music.
Okay, so you are you just fast from food, not from water. Is that how that works?
Drink water. I drank water and coffee.
Okay, yeah, I’m only allowed one cup of coffee a day because of my low dopamine, low serotonin. That’s biologically oh that’s probably brain functions. Um I actually if I’m full-blooded Mexican and we drink a lot of coffee. My father got you know, rested soul, he graduated into heaven last year. And he would, if he had had, if it were possible he’d had the coffee as an IV form, that’s how much coffee we we drank in our home. Um and when the doctor told me last November, Sylvia, you’re only allowed one cup of coffee. I I was like, all right, okay, God, you’re putting in like I’ve asked for your help, you brought Dr. Grabowski to me. I wanna I wanted to understand why I was feeling um like my joints were very, very stiff, and I’m 51 years old, so I’m in pretty good condition in that I exercise four to five times uh you know a week. I’m pretty healthy in my food choices, but I you can always be better, right? And you can always do better, and you want to take care of this temple. You know, the more you step into the word of God, the more you understand that as you take care of your body, you’re also in essence nourishing your soul, nourishing your mind to be able to think clearly and be more still and receive his promptings way faster than if you don’t take care of yourself, right? So I went to this doctor and he’s like, Sylvia, we gotta we gotta clean your act up. And so you can’t drink but one cup of coffee. And I’m gonna put you on all these supplements and you’re gonna start feeling amazing. And I did, I started to feel amazing initially though. It was a I wasn’t allowed to do anything with additional sugar. Do you know how many food groups have additional sugars, like processed stuff that’s like full of sugar? No additional sugar, no additional sugar, and I was like, so what does that mean? I couldn’t do honey, I couldn’t do maple syrup, none of the none of that. Um, I could do stevia, and that was it. There was like no options. Fruit was a good option, and only certain fruit, because they gave me a list of green foods, yellow, and red. Red absolutely don’t even think about taking them ever again. Yellow, um, you could do it every six days, you could rotate, like have that one, and then just let five days go by or three days go by, and then you could eat it again, which a lot of my favorite foods were on there, and then you know, the green, you can eat as much as you want, and so mango is on there, which is very sweet. Coconut was on there. So, speaking of Hawaii, you know, uh, I could have mango and I could have coconut, but I could only have pineapple every three days. So I was like, okay, well, I can do this, and so I would have my oatmeal, and my my fruit was my sugar, and I just started to eat healthy, and um, I found that it worked for me, right? But I would get on a pickleball court, and my body wasn’t used to just having that fuel, so I would start like it it’s almost like when you’re taking um certain medications or people that do drugs or something, and you take yourself off of that energy that these things provide you, your body’s gonna react very negatively initially, and then it kind of conditions itself to that new way of being, but it takes time, and so there were times on the biggest, I had to sit down, I could, I was starting to like my mind was starting to spin, I was starting to back out from the amount of sugar it was operating under before, and now it was like better. I find spiritually something similar happens, and that initially your body it takes some getting used to it, but once it gets used to it and really it starts thriving, and everything starts to work so beautifully because God designed the body to work very beautifully. My sister, when she was going through medical school, called our mother and said, I know now, I believe in God now. This human body is so amazing in the way it works on the inside. I mean, when they study and they are doing surgeries on people and you see the intricate nature of inside your body, it’s pretty spectacular what he’s created. But I I loved your explanation on how clear you got how much you needed him, and we do need him. We’re all sinners, we’re all we all make mistakes, we’re fallible, and this idea of perfection, actually, in the Bible. I learned this the other day through a Bible study I’m doing with Terra Lee Cobell, who does the Bible recap, and she was explaining um one of the chat, I can’t remember which chapter I was on, but she was saying the word perfect does not mean what it means in today’s society. In those in ancient scripture times, in those times, it meant fullness and wholeness. And I’m like, isn’t that what we all seek? Wholeness, that divine purpose is this perfection we’re seeking. And who gives us this fullness and this wholeness is Christ Himself. That’s our nourishment, that’s our food source, that’s who feeds our mind, our thoughts, and if we’re if we’re smart and we make good choices and we follow his word, and we allow it to seep into our heart space, into the guidance that our soul is providing for us, or are we listening to what the outside world is telling us is the way? And you and I, I mean you’re a young person, but I you’re young, but you’re wise in older years. It’s it it transcends that your wisdom comes from him, so I hear you saying, I I stayed obedient, I got all these guests. Do you find this to be your divine purpose now? Or do you think this is seasonal for you?
I don’t know.
You don’t know. Yeah, have you asked him?
I think I I think you put me for right now in a really good place. Um we’ll see what happens next. It’s not really my plan, it’s his. So this was never part of the plan. Like I told him many times, I was like, we can stop if you want. And he keeps going. So this is what we’re doing.
So what were you planning? What was your plan when you were a little kid?
How different is it now? I wanted to be like famous when I was uh a kid. I wanted to be like a famous singer, so this is not too far off. Still a microphone in front of me, I guess.
Like, yeah, I wanted to be famous too. The significance, I find it interesting. The reason why I asked that question is isn’t that an idea from the fallen world? The significance comes from the outside. Yeah. Have you found what what has been the most interesting podcast interview you’ve done so far?
Oh my gosh, what a great question. Um most interesting one. I always go back to I mean, there’s two essentially. If I could like point anybody to the two, I would say any episode with Dr. James Sedlasek, arguably one of the smartest people I’ve ever spoken to. Um, we’ve done multiple episodes. We’ve done episodes on divorce, it’s reshaped the entire thing. Uh, you know, I used to see it one way, now I see it completely different, you know, completely flipped it on its head. We’ve done the history of Judaism to Christianity. You know, if uh Christ was Jewish, why am I Christian? Uh we’ve done, you know, clarifications of verses that were misinterpreted, kind of like what you’re saying about, you know, the meaning of perfect. You know, we’ve covered everything with him. You know, we’ve spent hours talking about the bleeding woman. I thought that would be a short conversation, it’s one of my longest and favorite. Or with Dr. Robert Carter. He is a genealogist, he is from his Genesis history, he is insanely funny and just fun to talk to. And we discuss how does a global world timeline fit within the Bible. And he can argue it when the dinosaurs are, where the ice age is, when the Egyptian is, how carbon dating works, you know, and he’s a young earth creationist, so that’s a different, you know, headspace that some people don’t agree with. But that was just a fun conversation. I mean, he was so smart, and it was such like a tie-in between like science and faith that I think he did so beautifully. So we actually have that in an hour-long episode and 20 minutes, because I wanted to create a shorter, shortened version of it.
Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Yes, I’ve I’ve had some people that I’ve heard in the past that came in, like physicists that came. I think one was an astrophysicist to the church, and he said that his entire mission was to dispel the um like to get rid of the Bible, like its teachings or whatever. That that was his main purpose. And the more he dove into it, the more he was Wait, was it Dr. Hugh Ross? I don’t know if it was him or not. But it sounds very similar to what he really did. He’s very, very good because he said the all the science does not fall in line with what we like with what scripture like is telling us. And so what scripture is telling us is falling in line with some of these things that we’ve discovered. Yeah, I don’t know, I don’t know how he said it, but I remember just sitting there thinking, wow, for someone who first started out to say that the Bible was wrong and then turn around and be converted completely over. I mean, talk about redemption, right? Like complete turnaround. I don’t know. He’s really not a super tall guy. I don’t know. You probably can’t see them in the podcast, but I saw him on stage at Gateway North here in Austin, Texas. And then they’ve had some very interesting people come to the church. Um, our senior, our founding pastor is Dr. U is uh John Burke. He’s a New York Times best-selling author. He did the um the book Um Imagine Heaven that that followed for 25 years, followed near-death experiences.
Wait, I’ve been meaning to get him on my show.
Ah!
He’s a founding pastor of my church.
Well, I love to connect with him. Yeah, it would be fun.
Yeah, he’s very good. And of course, he’s had like Amazon Prime like movies he’s been part of because his topic is so interesting. Like and I remember chapter two of his latest book. I can’t think of the name, it’s escaping me, but it talks about um the science science uh that backs up the the um that God is real, you know, science backs this up. And part of it, it was the book I read to kind of prepare me for when my father received the terminal diagnosis. It was to kind of give me some peace about it, and it certainly did. These are people that clinically died, went to heaven, they came from all religions across the board, even atheists ended up in heaven, and what they saw fell in line, like he followed and he was able to see the similarities in their accounts and their testimonies. And they all reported that when they got there, there was a committee of people that they knew that received them, loved ones. Then they had a review of life through with Jesus that showed them the hands and the feet, like to say, This is me, I just wanted you to identify who I am, and that the love that they felt, they didn’t want to come back to earth, none of them did. And that makes sense because I had an encounter with Christ in the ICU in 2012, and that love that He that I experienced was not of this world. I had never felt so accepted, so seen, so loved, so peaceful in my whole life. And so when I read that book, I thought that was probably how I felt, you know, in the ICU. Um and then they described the colors are like totally not of this world. I mean, and you’re talking all these people of all these religions, that’s what’s so amazing to me. And so I if I can get you in touch with John, I definitely will. I can I just finished interviewing my pastor, and his episode is releasing on December 25th on Christ’s birthday, you know. So here we go. Merry Christmas to us all. And he is um Pablo Sortis Jr., he’s another one that has done um quite well as a pastor and can talk about various conversations, you know. It’d be a good one to also interview. But John, John is exceptional in a lot of ways because he was someone that um was very angry with God, turned away from for a long time because of his father’s terminal diagnosis with uh cancer, and his father was a believer, and so this story, and he’s an electrical engineer, so you know here it is, all scientific. I gotta see the proof, I gotta see the proof. And then somebody handed him a book on near-death experiences, and that’s that’s how he got converted over just from all those experiences of all these people. And then there was a pilot. I don’t know if is it only scholars who you who you interview on the show, or do you interview anybody who’s had a near-death experience, literally clinically gone to heaven and come back to tell the story?
I mean, that’s not really common. So if I had one of those, I would, but I typically only interview anybody with a PhD.
Okay. All right. But I don’t know, does John have a PhD? I don’t think he does. I don’t think he does. He might, but he doesn’t go by Dr.
John Burke. Um, but he’s pretty, pretty extensive in that arena with near-death experiences if that’s something that interests you. Um any last words of encouragement for those that are getting promptings to do something to step into the light and have it.
Yeah, I always encourage people to just be really honest about what they need from God and to really invite him in to do the work. I think that we underestimate what he can do and we overestimate what we can do. And I I feel like everything that I’ve gone through has started with me just being honest with God of like, hey God, I I want to know you, but honestly, I don’t really I I want to be close to you, but I don’t want to do the work. Or I I want to be close to you, but I I feel like I have to earn it. Or I I want to know you, but I don’t know anything about you. After my entire life of being a Christian, I don’t know anything. And so I I feel like if you want that, if you feel a gentle prodding from the spirit, I would just like sit down with God and be like, I don’t know what I’m doing, but I feel like I should be here. Can you just tell me why I’m here? And just like a very simple, honest prayer will be more helpful than you think.
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Well, my website is all things biblically speaking. You could go to www.bibspeak.com. That’s B-I-B-S-P-E-A-K dot com. And that way you can follow me on Instagram. You can send me a DM. I just had you can email me info at bibspeak.com. I just had uh a woman reach out to me and say, like, hey, I’m a professor. I feel like I should teach more people. Can I come on your show? And we had a phone call and now she’s come on my show. It’s gonna be amazing. Um, but you can follow me on Instagram, you could, and that that’s me, you know, there’s no social media manager, you could listen to the podcast there, you could comment, you could donate. Like uh if you want to be on the show though, just feel free to reach directly out. I need people for 2026. So this is true.
And for the listeners of at least that reveal purpose, thank you so much for joining us today. And Cassian, thank you for coming on and being flexible and and joyful and and sharing your journey on being obedient to Christ, really, and starting your podcast and look how well it’s doing. And uh, I’d love to support it, so make sure we stay connected so you can send me your links um to the show so I can follow the show and hear, because I’m very curious about these topics, um, especially from the scholar’s perspective, and the demon one and the angel one. I definitely want to listen to because that it really does intrigue me. There’s a lot of spiritual warfare that people don’t realize. I mean, we’re not really fighting with flesh and blood, we’re finding fighting in the spiritual realm, and so we always have to put on our armor as light warriors that are out there promoting the kingdom of heaven here on earth and promoting him, you know, his message of redemption, of reconciliation, of repentance, you know. He loves the all words, I can tell. And um, and I’ve just I’ve had such a wonderful time with you today, Cassie. So thank you for joining me. I’ve been such a privilege to have you on my podcast, and and remember. Matthew 5 14 for those listening to always be the light. You are this big part of the light in the world. And if God is prompting you to do something, I mean He is the maker of the whole universe. He knows more than you do. And if He believes in you, who are you to question Him? So step into it unapologetically and let Him take care of the how and you just do what He’s asking you to do and you be okay. Have a beautiful and blessed week. Love y’all. Bye now.
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