What if your path isn’t a straight line, but a set of doors that only open when you let go of the last one? We sit down with Albert, a voracious reader turned psychology professor, talent agent, and author, to unpack how faith, feedback, and focused action can carry you from “maybe one day” to a finished book in your hands.
Albert shares how growing up in a sports-centric family made him feel out of place, and how time in libraries and drama clubs sparked a lifelong pull toward the arts. He explains why he loved being around actors more than acting itself, and how that clarity led him behind the scenes to start an agency. We trace his decision to pursue a PhD, his original research on why actors self-sabotage, and the long gap between a groundbreaking dissertation and a published book. Along the way, he reveals the missteps—like hiring a ghostwriter—and the turning points, including the simple rule that unlocked momentum: draft without self-editing.
You’ll hear a practical playbook for creators and entrepreneurs: brain-dump first, shape later; get multiple outside edits; pause when feedback stings, then return with humility; and replace vague “someday” goals with real deadlines.
If you’ve been circling a dream—writing, launching, changing lanes—this story proves paths can be unique and still be right.
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Transcript:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Hey Lightbringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Release Out with Real Purpose, and today is Albert Brahmante, an album agent, psychology professor. He has done many things in his life. He’s also an author of a book. I, in my mind, as I read his biography, I thought Renaissance Man, because he’s done a lot of different things in his life. But I, from talking to him briefly before the interview, I had the sense that he has a great deal of wisdom to share with us because he talked about crossroads like he’s been in many in his life. And I figured he’s probably the best guest to have on release outreve purpose. So without further ado, Albert, thank you so much for joining us today on my podcast.
Well, thank you so much, Sylvie, for that wonderful introduction and for having me here. I’m really happy and honored to be here.
I can sense that from you. I don’t know. There was just so much joy in your voice and just in your the way you came across to me before we even started the interview that I knew that this was going to be a joyful encounter between the two of us. And I really want to know more about that story of transformation that you have to share with us. How did you land as a talent agent, psychology professor, and now author?
Well, it it all started when I was in, you know, as a child. I as well, most cases, I was always a uh a reader. And I was kind of a bit of the uh, you know, the the whole you know song song that kind of like resonated with me as a child was like one of these things is not like the other. I can identify with that. I grew up with all brothers. You know, I’m the youngest of five. I mean, I did one sister, I do one sister, but all mostly brothers, and everybody was it was blue-collar athletic. You know, they were athletes, football, baseball. My father was a coach, my older brother was a football coach. I had no interest in sports, no interest, no desire, not even watching spectator sports. And but I love to read. And I like most kids, you know, being uh the youngest of uh five, and there’s a large gap, so I tended to be really the only child. So I never really knew how to bond with other kids. I never knew didn’t really know how to socialize. And so I found myself at the library a lot. You know, I found myself reading a bookworm, and I still love to read to this day. And I th you know when I was in high school in the early 90s, I was reading books that not typical teenagers would read, like How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie, uh Seven Habits of Highly Successful People by Stephen Covey, uh Feeling Good by David Burns. All of these you know books were so much a part of me growing up that that and it kind of formulated my interest in psychology. Now, when I was in also in high school and college, I was very involved in a lot of extracurricular curricular activity clubs, organizations, and one of those clubs was a drama club. So I was very much interested in the performing arts, and you know, more of it of it just as a hobby type of interest. And I did take some acting classes and theater classes out of my free electives in college. And you know, a couple, you know, I kind of like didn’t really think anything of it. You know, this was just of an interest of mine. And I focused, I was so focused on being a clinical psychologist and college professor. That was my number one aspirations in college, and you know, and even in my last years in high school. So I always found myself teaching, you know, I think I have teaching in my blood because my mom was a school, you know, was a school teacher for you know 30, 30 plus years, kindergarten and first grade, my father being my brothers being coaches. So I think kind of that that combination was really what fueled me to become a teacher and an educator. That’s really if you think about if you ask me how I really am, I think that’s what I identify as my core as a teacher. And so when I was going for my when when I finished my master’s degree, I fortunately and unfortunately, uh, and I say fortunately because it was beginning of my career, but unfortunately, uh 9-11 had happened, you know, and tragically, and and I found myself doing a lot of charity work and community service, and that kind of started my professional career, you know, both as a you know, in the field of the arts, but also as a in in the field of helping people. So I long story, you know, to kind of move forward when I was doing all this work with 9-11, I started working with actors, filmmakers, directors, and that kind of resurrected my interest into acting and refueled it and performing. And so I did a little bit of a thing like most people, I was an act, you know, did a little bit of acting myself. And I really I I what I I enjoyed being around actors. I didn’t really enjoy the process of it. But I think there what happened moving forward because I had such an interest in working with actors, I found myself really, you know, not knowing what I wanted to do, because I didn’t want to act, but I loved being around actors. And so I kind of switched gears and decided I was gonna work behind the scenes. So I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, you know, at some level, some part of me. So 2004 I started my first company. And you know, and I really enjoyed kind of working for myself, and even though I was still teaching at this time part-time, and I then made the decision I’m gonna go back to school. You know, so 2005 I enrolled into a PhD program because I wanted to finish, I was like halfway there, and I always wanted to have a PhD. And so I enrolled into Walton University, which is an online university, and while I was starting to, you know, getting heavily into my coursework, we then had to come up with a dissertation idea. Now, the for anybody who doesn’t know, a dissertation is like a master’s thesis on, you know, really hyped up. It’s it’s m it’s much more advanced than that. But it’s a doctoral thesis, and it has to be like an original study or original idea. And I chose for my topic, because I worked with actors, why they self-sabotage. And so that became my doctoral dissertation. So that was my first way, I guess you could say well, I blended both fields together. My love of psychology, but also my work at the agency. So that was like my first foray into that. I received you know, 2015, ten years ago I received my PhD and you know, after I turned it into dissertation, the faculty that were, you know, on my committee that were reviewing my dissertation had kind of encouraged me to publish. Because I had something groundbreaking. You know, nothing was really written in the scholarly literature, you could say, about about actors. So and for a while I kind of just put that on the back burner. And went back to teaching part-time, building up my agency. And then in twenty twenty three I said, you know, I I’m tired of saying I’m gonna write a book. I’m just gonna do it. And so Rise Above the Script, which is my book, you know, was born. And it was based loosely based on my doctoral dissertation back in 2015. Which was self-defeating behavior and performing artists. That was a title of my doctoral dissertation. So that’s how like all three of them combined.
Wow.
In a sense.
Oh my goodness. You see that a lot of people don’t realize this is not a linear thing that oh, this and this and that. Uh-uh. It’s where sometimes we self-sabotage, because that’s your dissertation, because we doubt, because we’re not in alignment with our talents. Right? But look how your life started. Here you are, a kid that quite frankly, I thought of both my children. I’m very athletic, my husband’s very athletic, and both of our kids are readers. They’re very into reading and into different activities that we were in as children. And it gives me hope when I when I read your biography and I and I started talking to you. I thought, and when you said you were a reader, I thought maybe there’s a reason why he’s on my podcast today. It was the things that were going through my mind. I think understanding God is that He sent certain messengers in my world to kind of reveal certain messages to me of like, it doesn’t matter how you grow up, but look at everything he became and look at his talents and how they flourished. And I find that that’s so beautiful to hear how they just happened. But I also thought was interesting, that sends messengers in our journey as well that guide us into where we’re supposed to go and we doubt him and we self-sabotage.
We sure do. Yes.
You doubted that, even though probably likely you had a gut instinct to do it. You just, there was a doubt that like came in and you just put it in the back burner. You said, I put it in the back burner, I put it in the back burner. I did the same thing, by the way, with my first book that had been prompting me since um when Eat Prey and Love first made had like it came out in the movie theaters. I was watching it with girlfriends, and the first idea came to my mind of write the Hispanic version of Eight Prey Love. It was just a really random idea that came to me, and it it was not mine, came from somewhere else. And I said no to it for years and years and years, and then I became an author later. But I said no to it for almost 13 years. How many years went by before you decided to publish that book and the dissertation? How many years?
About eight. Eight? Yeah. Yeah. And and I I I’d say since you know, since my dissertation in 2015, 2017 I started thinking I’m gonna write a book. You know, like that’s when I started to think about it. And I was telling people this, yeah, you know, I’m gonna be writing a book, I’m gonna be writing a book. And then 2020 I was like, you know, it sort of ramped up, and I would open up, you know, Google Docs, write a page, get so frustrated, delete the page, and I’d be right back where I started. And I’ll be honest, I mean the first time you know, someone had told me, you know, well, why don’t you hire a ghostwriter? Which I don’t recommend to do. But okay, I went on Fiverr and I think you get what you paid for, so I paid somebody, you know, uh a a a sum of money to write me a book. And I gave them the prompts and what I got back was absolutely laughable. ‘Cause two things. Number one, this person knew nothing about actors and nothing about psychology. I’m like, well if I sat my name on this right now, I’d get you know, laughed at. So I was like, i i you know, the only thing I was missing now was just a couple hundred in my wallet. You know, rather I had nothing, still nothing to my name. So, you know, again I kind of just put it in the back burner. And then I one statistic that kind of woke me up was one only one percent of people say they want to write a book actually do. Ninety-nine percent don’t.
Mm-hmm.
Well, okay, wake up call. I can easily be I was easily becoming that 99%. You know, where I was like, okay, and so I was like, okay, I gotta do this. And another trick tick tip that helped me go through it and was to the mistake that I was making the first time when I would sit down, the was I was self-editing while I was writing. And the one piece of advice that I recommend now to everybody that that was given to me was not to self-edit, just write and write and like do it kind of like a brain dump, dump everything out, and then go back. And coincidentally, I I wish I’d it was called common sense because it was like I did this when I was my master’s and PhD, yeah. Obviously, you I I wrote dozens of of papers for courses. And most of the papers were, you know, 20 yeah um in grad school and professional school, they’re not your or your your little papers that you wrote in college or high school. They were most of them were at least minimum twenty-five-thirty pages between besides you know, references. And of course, this is way before the age of AI. So we uh we had to write them on our own. And I did the same thing. I would just you know do a brain dump and then go back, you know, or organize it and go back and edit it when it was done. I don’t know why I didn’t do that here, but I think it’s uh it’s well plus it’s a different dynamic when you’re writing a paper for a course than writing your own book. It’s a completely different um different dynamic. But the truth the point that I’m making is that not to self-edit when you’re when you’re writing. And even let it somebody else edit it, you know, because we’re a little too close, it’s our baby, we’re a little too close to it. I mean, it’s not even just like okay, I think you know it’s good to have an editor for a couple reasons. Obviously, you want the book to sound flawlessly and fluent, but also it’s a good idea to get a couple people’s um eyes on it that are not connected to you that can give you an objective and honest critique so that we have the best piece. And so that’s what I did. I hired two actually two different editors, you know, to do different rounds. I did I did two different rounds of editing. And the first time that you know, I remember, you know, it was like seven, it was a seven-day turnaround, and I was like, oh, this is good. You know, seven days later I got the edited draft back. And of course, you know, I had to put on my humble hat on because when you open up a an edited document like that, to see a lot of red markups was a bit overwhelming. Because almost every page had some red, you know, red comments and markups on the side. And so I initially I did get a little overwhelmed. I started freaking out a little bit. And then I calmed down, I said, you know, I said, okay, I’m gonna close this out and calm down, and then I reopen it up again when I’m calm. And I’m just gonna repage my page. And what I found was I’d say almost all of it was so helpful. I’m like, you know, these are good comments here, this is good feedback, you know. A lot of times it was telling me sometimes things to put in, um some not to you know, put in in a sense like take that out. So and then and that’s what I did. And then eventually did another round of editing after that, and before you know I had a manuscript that was ready to go to formatting and and put a cover design on it and there and that was my book. And I’m glad I did it. Because, you know, as you know, there’s nothing it’s a a really surreal feeling to be holding a to get the book and approved from Amazon, now I had approved from you know, with I’m holding a book that was written by me. You know, because here I am I love books, I love reading, and it was like I now ha have a book. And it was a big achievement, you know, and but I I almost never got here. If it weren’t for resilience and faith, I wouldn’t have gotten here.
You’ve made a lot of very good points that I want to highlight, if that’s all right with you.
Sure, sure.
One I was blown away when you said, put on my humble hat and relook at the manuscript. Because yes, you’re right. When you see the red marks, and I’m an author, uh, and it’s tough to look at it, because you’re that’s your baby, like you said. But I loved how you reframed it, how you said, okay, no, I want this, and in order to move forward in this project, I’ve got to be able to look at this differently. And when you see it differently like that, then the way you’re receiving the information changes as well. Yeah. We see that in psychology a lot, is the way you’re looking at something is also the way you’re receiving it. If you’re looking at it through the eyes of compassion and acceptance, you’re gonna receive it with compassion and acceptance. And you’re gonna, it’s gonna be easier for you to move forward in it. Forces, if you’re looking at it like why did it do this? And you have a different focus on it, that’s how you’re gonna receive it as well. And it’s going to also promote how you move forward with it as well. You wanted to say something.
Oh, oh, yeah. No, I I agree. I I definitely agree there. Um, it’s really how you how you look and how you how you focus it. Because I I could have easily had said, you know, I said, that’s it. I qu I I’m not looking at this, I’m done. I told you I can’t be a writer, and and that was it. And I would have only been hurting myself. And when I when I turned around and said, okay, this is not uh out to get me, this is out to help me. You know, these like I and when I started looking at his comments more objectively, I was like, most of them I said, wow, this is a great idea. Okay, I didn’t think of that. I didn’t think of this. Okay, let me take that out, let me add this. You know, and some of it was to take stuff out, and other stuff was to add things, you know, that were that were missing. Okay, add elements that are missing. And so that’s what I did. And by the time I was done, when I read them, when I did the final read through on their manuscript, I’m like, this really sounds good. I’m like, I’m I’m happy. You know, I’m I and I think one of the things that that was holding me back from writing the book so long, and I think most most people will will identify with this, is I was so worried about am I gonna get bad reviews? Are people gonna hate, you know, not like the book, and they’re gonna trash it, they’re gonna get, you know, I’m gonna get all these one-star reviews. And so I started playing all this in my head. And you know, I will only would have been deceiving myself.
Yeah, you said something about faith. If it hadn’t been for your faith, you wouldn’t have moved forward on this project. Can you share a little bit more about that?
Um, well, faith is really about, you know, if you we want to break it down on a psychological standpoint, faith is a synonym for trust. And having trust in the universe or trust in God. Now I’m I’m you know Catholic, so God, you know, for me, and and and or you know, even if you’re not the faith in in some power higher power, you know, for those depending on what your belief system is, but you have to have some sort of trust that everything’s gonna work out because everything. Will work out. And you know, even at the time, and this is where like I’m a big believer in this, is that even in the moment it may not seem like it’s gonna work out, it might seem like you know, sometimes you get wrenches thrown at you in a sense or curveball thrown at you in life. And at the moment you’re like, how could this ever possibly work out? But everything that I know now in my you know um years that I’m here, everything always worked out for the best. Even at the time when it didn’t seem like it was going to.
Yeah, when we reflect on our life, and I’ve done that a lot as an author. My first book was in in 2020, the prompting got really strong. Write your book at the time, trust me. You write your book. I mean, it was like incessant to the point where I was like, okay, God, I got it. I got it. I will write the book. I just don’t know what I’m gonna write about. You’re gonna have to guide me here because you’re the one wanting me to do this. So let’s get to it, let’s collaborate. And I would start doing these walks in nature, as you know, in 2020. That’s one of the few things we could do uh was to be out in nature. And luckily, I would have notebooks with me. And the downloads just started, and they haven’t stopped since then. I have to have notebooks everywhere around me now because everything I create, I create in collaboration with him. This is his medium. The podcast is not something that I wanted to do, but it’s something that he’s used to reach a great deal of people through the way I come across in my faith. Because when I talk about him, I don’t talk about him from a distant relationship. I talk about him like he’s my friend. He’s the one that just wants to guide me into my light and uses all of my talents to it. He used your talents in reading, in writing, in working with actors, in working with psychology. That’s why you are who you are. It is very uniquely you. Only you could have written that book. If you had hired a ghostwriter, which is what I also meant to highlight earlier, that essence of you would not have come through. Yeah. That’s the problem with ghostwriting, is that unless they know you very, very well and they spent an enormous amount of time with you, they won’t be able to reflect your soul on those pages. And that’s what’s going on those pages is your soul, your journey of being a talent agent, of being a psychology professor, of stepping into a light that is very uniquely you and only you could have done. And that’s why you became an author, because you can convey it in a way that certain amount of people in the world need to hear it because they’re designed similar to you, not identical to you, because we’re all unique in his image. However, we do have a way of speaking that reaches people in a way that they need to be reached, and that in a way that they need to be reached in order to propel them into their purpose. See, that’s my my role in life, is the mission I have is to turn more people towards him and to turn them towards their divine purpose. And what is that? Well, everybody’s unique in their divine purpose. You’re very unique. I’ve never met anybody like you, Albert, which is cool. I liked when I read yourself. I was like, oh, this is a neat guy. He sounds so neat. I want to really pick his brain on how he landed in these spaces because they’re not they’re not very mainstream if you think about it. I mean, psychology and talent agent and author, maybe, author, and I mean, maybe you can put some of these two together, but all three, that’s very unique. And I find that I love that you faced a great deal of crossroads in your life to land you to now you’re very familiar with crossroads, and when you have reflected, everything has been done in your favor. Maybe not in the moment that you’re living it. Because sometimes when we’re living that chapter, it doesn’t feel like that. It feels hard, right? It feels hard to do, and it takes an enormous amount of faith, like you said, because faith is not being able to see the path before you be doing it anyways. Of course, facing out fears, the fear of like putting the work out there and really not knowing how it is going to be received.
Yeah, and there’s that big uncertainty there, and and that’s where it’s like you just have to uh assume that look this is gonna this is gonna work out. And so I I think that’s really important to kind of um look at things in a sense, um is to just really fully believe it there.
Um so what was the greatest lesson for you out of all of these lessons that you talked about? Which one was the one that was most significant to you in this journey?
I I I I think the whole thing is is learning to let go um from expectations and from one certain way of looking at things that again, sometimes life, the universe, God, faith is gonna put you in another direction. Because I’ll tell you one thing. When I was in my early twenties, I if you told me I was gonna be working as a talent agent, I would have thought you know, that was out that was the most absurd thing I would have ever heard. Um I I wouldn’t have believed you, you know, if if that was the case. Here I am You know, so I I I I think that it it’s sort of it’s sort of like a way I think of just learning to let go, learning to trust that everything is gonna be okay.
And and and just doing it, whether whether you have the courage or not in the moment, it’s just doing it and moving forward in that in that journey, putting one step in front of the other. It sounds like and then understanding that everything is happening in your favor, even if you can’t see it in this precise moment. And I I find that that’s powerful. That is powerful. It’s very, you see it on paper, but I think where most people struggle is the doing part, they can read it, they just the doing part is you gotta let go. I remember interviewing who was it, Rachel Speckman, like this was months ago, and she was talking about a trapeze, and she said, you know, it’s like letting go and grabbing on to the next one, and sometimes you just have to let go, period. Yes, you know, like you gotta allow this to happen in the way it needs to happen for you to learn and to be able to be equipped for whatever’s coming next, because whatever’s coming next, you’ve already been equipped for. And that piece I think most people forget unless they reflect, unless they do the kind of reflection you and I do on a daily basis. And I do a lot of it because I wake up every morning and I pray for an hour, and I have my coffee and I’m my coffee chats with God, and I don’t try to the days I miss them, I’m off, like totally off. My identity is off, it’s it’s center. Uh, because he is my center and his word is my center. And as long as I stay consistent with that daily, everything else is gonna fall into place. It will, as long as I keep moving forward in in my journey and in my in my truth and in my skill set, because we all have skill sets that are very uniquely to us. And I always believed that the the journey of life was in to discover those gifts and then to use them on purpose, just over and over on purpose to help humanity out and help them release those fears and and help them to step into their light so that this life is is joyful and happiness and fulfillment and wholeness gets reached. Not from the things that we accomplish on the outside, but rather the the journey itself is for me, it has been very joyful and very happy uh in alongside in collaboration with God as I move through my life. I remember my first act, it wasn’t always like this. There were some moments of joy, but nothing like what I’m living today. And and I I see that in you. I see that you’ve reached that that space now where you where the that fulfillment of those gifts is in full for you. Did you feel the same way?
Yes, yeah. And and and I think a lot of it is just, you know, like what our trapezo already said, it’s just sometimes just fully letting go because or and or ripping the band-aid off in a sense, and that’s why I talk about that a lot of time myself, is sometimes you just you just gotta let do it, you know, and it may be a bit scary, you know, there’s nothing wrong with that, you know, to being so admit that it can be a little scary uh at first because there’s a the uncertainty there’s uncertainty. It’s not necessarily I wouldn’t even say scary, I would just be more about uncertainty. There’s a and it can be a little uncomfortable. And I think what we need to do is be more comfortable with that. You know, comfortable with that uncomfortableness about the uncertainty. You know, and that i it’s n you know, everything’s gonna work out in the end. And but sometimes the only way we’re gonna actually move forward and anything in any endeavor that we do is we you know, A, we need to to have faith and B, we need to just do it. Yeah, take action.
Take action.
One hundred percent, yeah. And and because a lot of people, you know, and I talk ’cause I talk to so many people all the time, and I get a lot of people that say, um oh, um that, you know, oh they’ll do this someday or or sometime and and all of that. Um and that’s where I’m like, I I don’t I think there’s a pro flaw in that because if you say someday it’ll never happen. You you know, you might as well say it’ll never happen. Because you know, someday is vague and it’s not on the calendar.
It’s just do it. Just be like Nike and do it. And I was thinking that this morning. It’s interesting. There’s some ideas that had come in my mind, and I said, Well, someday, how funny that you said someday today and said, No, just do it. Whatever’s been in your heart to do is because the maker of the universe, the the one that’s over everything, the sovereign, believes you can do it. Why on earth do you not think you can do it? You know what I mean? I mean, who am I to say no to God? And I did, by the way, for 13 years. But I and I realized later, I I we laughed about it later, both he and I. It was like, how did I say no to you? I am your child. I’m so capable of doing these things. It’s I think our mind and our doubt that get in in the way. Um, and that as a psychology professor, you know that. So I I commend you. Bravo for for being part of the one person that actually got it done, that got your book published. What is the name of it? How can we purchase it? How can we support you?
Um, well, I I would just love to stay connected with people, reach out to me. Um, I’d love your you know to check out my book, give me feedback on it, and you know what what what parts resonated with you? I’d love to hear about that. And yeah, let’s stay connected. I’m on LinkedIn, I’m on Instagram, and I’d love to stay connected with all of you.
Oh, that’d be awesome. I’m definitely gonna connect with you after this. Yeah, and um I’m definitely going to purchase your book because I always like to support the people that come on my podcast through a way of saying thank you for for sharing your wisdom uh with my listeners, and for those that are wanting to to you know write a book, this is the interview for you. Don’t be afraid, he could do it, you could do it too. Um, and for the rest of the listeners of release that revealed purpose, how we say and I signed off. Remember, Matthew 5.14 to always be the light, be your own light. Your light is so unique to you. This world needs you to step into that light and shine a big, bright uh way for them to follow. So remember that about each and every one of you. And now, but thank you so much for joining our release that reveal purpose. It’s been such a pleasure to get to know your story and get to know you and and all the amazing pearls of wisdom that you shared on my show today. Any last words you want to say before we sign off?
No, I’m just looking forward. I look forward to you know continuing collaborating and I want to thank you again for uh you know having me on here.
My pleasure. It was my honor. Thank you, Albert. And for the rest of you, have a wonderful and blessed week. Bye now.
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