What if the real turning point in recovery isn’t your last drink, but your first ask for help? Dave Letterfly Knoderer joins us to trace how childhood invisibility, self-reliance, and unspoken grief can hardwire addiction—and how community, inventory, and a practical walk with God can unwind it.
His story moves from a devastating bottom to a deeper bottom in early sobriety, revealing why white-knuckling alone fails and why surrender opens the door to healing that sticks.
We dig into the beliefs born in chaotic homes—“I don’t matter, I don’t belong”—and how Step Four’s moral inventory translates those early misreadings into adult clarity. Dave shares the moment he felt divine presence during Step Five, the practice he uses when imposter thoughts flare (notice, pause, serve), and the slow art of forgiveness that reshaped his bond with his father and made space to love his brother with Asperger’s without losing himself. Along the way, we talk boundaries, the trap of repeating familiar pain in relationships, and the decision to pause dating to heal patterns at the root.
This conversation is as practical as it is spiritual. If you’ve tried to do life solo and keep crashing into the same wall, consider this your nudge to reach out, tell the truth, and let community carry what self-reliance cannot.
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Transcript:
Have you ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry, or wondering what your true purpose was all about? This podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Today is Dave Letterfly Notorer, and he has a story of recovery to share with us today. And how many of us don’t become victims or don’t know someone close to us who has been a victim of their own addiction? And it’s a journey that can be very harrowing for those watching, trying to intervene, trying to have a sense of normalcy around this addiction. And I’ve known so many friends of mine who have had spouses who have unfortunately died due to their addictions. Sometimes that if you don’t handle and heal that trauma, the addiction is the way you’re numbing that trauma from coming out. So without further ado, Dave, thank you so much for joining us on Release Out Reveal Purpose to talk about something that’s very relatable in this fallen world.
Thank you for having me. I’m delighted to share my story of hope and transformation with your audience.
And I can’t wait for us to dive deep in this. So why don’t you dive deep and let us know what that story of recovery was all about and why today, this purpose that you’re letting out, being guests on podcasts, is so important to you.
My story actually starts long before I consumed my first drink because I I was born into a family. I was the younger brother of a boy who produced bizarre behavior, and there was no explanation for it at the time. Although several decades later he was diagnosed as having Asperger’s. And then it it just like with virtually every alcoholic, I had to enter into the downward spiral that took me to a bottom, a devastating bottom, that uh that left me emotionally and financially bankrupt and stranded in a in a scary place, you know, uh far away from anything I was familiar with, and that’s the the depth of misery that uh was required for me to uh finally stop digging and realize that I was powerless and that my life had become unmanageable, which is the prerequisite for uh entering into the process of recovery. And then a little bit at a time I began to uh experience a life without alcohol, but because of the decision that I made as a child to be independent and self-sufficient, I was in I was certainly immersed in the fellowship of the recovery community, but I wasn’t in I wasn’t involved with the process of recovery because I was still independent and self-sufficient. I w I had not uh become part of the group. And so my downward spiral into uh uh bottom continued in sobriety. I didn’t hit bottom until I was six months sober, and that’s what it took for me to finally get miserable enough to take my hat in my hand and go up to another man and say, I need help. And that’s when my experience changed. You know, the uh I was able to enter into relationship with others, the thing that I had discarded as a child, and that’s where the process of recovery takes place between two uh recovering alcoholics.
Yes, I find that that piece that you discussed, I want to dive a little bit deeper into the self-reliance piece because it’s something that recently my own husband discovered about himself. The trauma that he incurred as a child was directly correlated to the self-reliance that he used to disconnect emotionally from those closest to him. He would not form connections with friends very easily. Um, and that I think is also spilling out into our marriage where you can’t really form that deep connection, so you reject the first the person first so that they can’t reject you. It’s kind of like a um an abandonment issue, it sounds like for him. I don’t know. Does that sound similar to you? Is it an abandonment issue that you found to be the root cause of that self-reliance? Or what was the belief at the root?
Definitely the uh the belief at the root would have to do with my uh receiving the message that I didn’t matter, that I didn’t belong, and that I had no value because of the that and these were the beliefs that I formed as a little child in re in response to my brother not only producing the behavior, but me watching the reception that he got from the community around us, you know, at school, at church, and even in the family. It was uh it his behavior was disruptive and it commanded the focus of everybody. So another one of my issues was probably that I felt that I was invisible. And in response to that trauma, uh my I I s in a s in an effort to survive, I selected to withdraw and handle things myself. And I didn’t uncover this until the process of recovery in sobriety, when I started to work with uh with other men who became my sponsors and we started digging really deep. And that’s when it came to the surface. And it’s a very typical characteristic that we share in uh in the uh recovery community. We discover that we are uh socially unable to form true partnerships with other people, and that’s where it becomes paramount for us to enter into perfect alignment with something new. We cannot continue to rely on our own uh pattern of accomplishing things. We must enter into something brand new, which is uh entering into a relationship with our higher power and then keeping the focus of our attention on something new, which is God’s will for us.
Okay. Now take us into that process, if you can, um step by step, because we know that this is one baby step at a time, and we know that we’re building, right? In recovery, we know that the important thing is that you’re moving forward, not how fast you’re moving. Because what I understand from what I’ve heard from my husband, what I myself encountered as a child like you, uh, there were two other children that required more focus. I became the self-reliant, highly responsible sibling. I did not have social that social capability at the beginning, and I withdrew into being a high achiever and a perfectionist. That’s how I dealt with things. I didn’t go into addiction because addiction had been a very, very little threat in my bloodstream. It came from both sides, and I knew that if I go in there, it could be disastrous for me. So being the responsible, self-reliant one, that was kind of against my value system. But in lieu of that, I went into high achieving and perfectionism, which isn’t easy either to get out of. So let’s let’s slow things down for the listeners and let’s go baby step at a time. What when you finally realize this, the breakthrough king and recovery, walk us through how you built that foundation.
What happens in early uh recovery in the community, we go to these, we go to what’s called a meeting, and in the meeting, all of us, it’s a it’s a it’s a opportunity for therapy to take place. What happened at the beginning was listened to the other people and I would get introduced to myself because I had no concept of me being self-reliant. But then whenever I would hear a story about somebody else, and they were telling the story of how their self-reliance affected their situation, I began to recognize some of these characteristics. And then when I worked with my sponsor and we started to do the inventory work, step four is what we call the moral inventory, and we make a list of the people that we had in our lives, the events that took place, a lot of them turning points or traumatic events or any number of things, and then we make a list of the beliefs that we accumulated, and uh a little bit at a time we start to understand why our uh behavior got locked into a certain way, and then we uh uncover the the the things that are like false beliefs or misguided beliefs or you know, things that got translated wrong, because you can’t expect a six-year-old to uh have a command of of uh you know everything uh so um uh we just end up discovering this stuff in adulthood, and then we end up having the ability to uh uh lay this stuff at God’s feet. But just because we end up becoming aware and uh asking God to remove it and then stepping forward into a new uh design for living my life doesn’t mean that stuff goes away entirely. I attended a workshop at a bookstore that would that was gonna have a guest speaker there, and as soon as I walked into this place I had never been to before, and I immersed myself in the in a group of people who I didn’t know any of them, the old imposter syndrome came back and I was I became aware that my thinking was again, it was like, oh, I’m not worth what I’m not worthwhile, I’m not you know, I’m invisible, I’m I I hope nobody, you know, uh looks down on me and all this kind of the imp the thinking, just because we uh process the stuff doesn’t mean that we’re immune to the old thinking coming back. And those are the times when I need to be first of all, be aware of it, and then the second thing to do is to pause and then take the focus off of what’s taking place in my mind, which I’ve got no business paying attention to, and put the focus back on being on the lookout for ways that I can contribute and make the uh event better. And so that’s what I did. When the instructor needed somebody to hand out the the handouts, I volunteered. Here, let me do that for you.
So it sounds like you stayed in the present moment instead of allowing your mind to take you into the future or into the past.
That’s a great way to put it, yeah.
So because when we stay in the present moment, for those listening, we are in the presence of the Holy Spirit, of God Himself. He’s not in our future, he’s not in our past, he’s right there with us, right next to us. And so one of the verses in scripture that he brought to my forefront just recently was from 2 Corinthians 10, 5, and it’s uh and it’s talking about how arguments and any pretenses that sets itself up against it are demolished when you take your thoughts and make them capture your thoughts and make them obedient to Christ. So when those thoughts start to ruminate in our mind, it could be a lot of sources, right? Like you said, the old identity, just because we’re in the process of healing it doesn’t mean it goes away. It’s almost always there because it was ingrained in us for so long, right? I mean, give give us some perspective. You you probably had those beliefs from the age of six, you mentioned, and how old are you today, Dave?
72.
Okay. So for those that love to do math, you can do the math. That’s how many years, you know, prior that that’s how many years we’ve been programming the mind to think a certain way. So of course they’re gonna come back, it’s going to come back to make sure, because this is what happens with thoughts and patterns of behaving, they want to make sure that where we’re stepping is is safe.
Yeah, definitely.
Because the mind will do that, and so our pain um has a lot to teach us, and when we recognize that it is the pain, that maybe it’s an old six-year-old identity, like in my case, there’s an anxious identity when I was seven that um that is a people pleaser, right? Because wanted her father’s attention who um was never home. And because of the other two siblings needing more attention, I needed him. And so when he would get mad, I would try to please him so he wouldn’t leave me again. That abandonment issue was there for whatever reason. Um there’s a 17-year-old bullied girl from high school that shows up from time to time uh when she feels threatened, and so these identities are always there in the background, just making sure that what you’re about to proceed on is safe for them because they their armor, our armor was built off of these identities, right? Growing up, this is who we were protecting. Um so now that we’re older and wiser and not six or seventeen anymore. Unfortunately, if you don’t heal those parts of you, they kind of fall you around like a shadow, like Peter Pearl’s shadow, you know. And so we want to understand what they’re trying to tell us. And in Dave’s case, it sounds like um it’s it’s likely just saying, Hey, are you sure that you’re worthy? I just want to make sure that you’re feeling worthy. Um, and then if you can just stay present and say, Yes, you don’t need to, you don’t need to show up anymore. I love you. Thank you for protecting me when I was six, but I don’t need your protection anymore. So now we’re operating out of love and not out of fear, because the more fear we think about, the more fearful feelings we’ll feel as a result. So we want to take that captive and make it obedient to Christ, and we know that the fruit of the spirit has no fear in it, it’s only love, joy, and patience, and um you know gentleness and goodness, self-control. That’s a that’s the other one that is really key to recovery, I think. Um, and so do tell us, Dave, how long of a process was that for you to where you really push past that deception of your mind coming in?
The the the transformation process you’re talking about? Yes. The uh see one of the uh results of my childhood was a hatred for my older brother. And that hatred followed me into sobriety, and it became one of the most uh powerful of the resentments that showed up on my inventory. And uh as I continued with the process of transformation, I ended up uh uh entering into the place where I realized my response spiritual responsibility to my brother was to forgive him. He didn’t int he wasn’t like intentionally trying to, you know, make the entire world mad at me. He was just operating, he didn’t have the ability to communicate behave the way that the rest of the people on the planet behave. And so uh I was able to and this is the same kind of a thing that I was able to do with my dad, because my d we uh I had a there was tension in my uh relationship with my dad was in uh when I was a child, and then in recovery uh I was able to m as a mature person return to my uh family situation strong enough to not get invited back into the dysfunction and then form a healthy friendship with my dad, and my dad and I became the best of friends. And so um It’s the th same thing with my brother, my older brother, and it’s still a challenge. You know, I can go visit my brother, but I don’t want to visit my brother for three days because he still produces bizarre behavior because of the way he’s wired. Uh, but I can I can go be with him for a short period of time and be a loving brother and and you know, uh demonstrate the qualities that uh that uh qualify me as somebody who has uh accomplished recovery and and stuff. So um how long does it take? It takes a long time. And that’s one of the things that uh and it it’s never it’s it’s there’s isn’t there’s never an end either. There’s nothing else that is going to occur and right now I’m I’m I’m in the process of uncovering the uh the depth of the the beliefs that I have in regards to the relationships around me. Just because I’ve become a people person doesn’t mean I’ve become a functional people person. And so you know, as I enter into uh becoming social, that’s when I discover the snags that uh that still exist, which means uh an even deeper dig is is required in order to uncover those kinds of things. And that’s what I’m in the midst of doing now at this point in my recovery.
So what are those snacks? Because um let’s give some specifics here. What do you mean by snacks?
The uh one of the characteristics of the alcoholic is that we have an inability to form a true partnership with another human being, even though I have a track record of having uh been in and out of relationships. But the even the most recent relationships have been with uh women who have troubling issues of their own. It’s like for some reason or other, I with my troubling issues that I have, I get hooked or matched, or I guess we fit together perfectly somehow. And it’s like a recipe for a disaster. And so instead of continuing with uh with you know, it’s like a cycle. Instead of continuing with that, I’ve taken a a hiatus from from that in an effort to uh heal whatever it is that’s interfering with my ability to enter into a true partnership with another human being. So I guess the the goal comes first and then God reveals all of the stuff that’s interfering with that, and so that’s what I’m busy doing now, and and what I’ve discovered in this process of recovery is my ability to write, and I’ve become an author. It started with doing the inventory work and then it grew into me writing every day, and it’s some of it is is pure journaling, but then I’m using what I’m uncovering and putting it into an essay form, and I use it for uh for content for a variety of things today, because my goal is still to find a way to be a blessing to others, and by telling these stories, as you are well aware, this is how uh we get to uh let our experiences become hope for other people.
Yes, yes, our stories invite people to explore those belief systems within themselves when they read it in ours, saying, Well, if they can do it, why can’t I? Right? It’s the whole modeling that Jesus um did for us while he was here on earth. It’s like, hey, listen, you want to be like me? Let me show you what you need to do. But that’s what we’re doing with others, that’s how we kept keep spreading his word in the world. Uh, there was a question that was popping up in my awareness as you were speaking, and I’m very curious about this because I think most men struggle with a relationship with God. How did you start to invite the Lord into your everyday?
Well, that was it really interesting. I was born a preacher’s kid, and so uh I really didn’t want to have anything to do with the God of the church because the people that went to this, you know, went to church were not very uh ri, you know, they would look down on me being a preacher’s kid because I couldn’t walk on water. And uh so whenever I first showed up at AA, I didn’t want to have anything to do with this God that they were talking about. So for me, I had to enter into an entry-level uh concept, and so I just kept mine very, very simple at the beginning, and then gradually it grew into uh a concept of my own of a loving God who was that who was all powerful, and he wanted nothing but good to occur for me. And so today I have a relationship with a loving God who provides the flow of inspiration and abundance and health and joy and all of those things, and uh my goal is to remain in perfect alignment with that uh that power, that sense of grace. And so, yeah, it it took uh it took a while to uh evolve the the spiritual understanding that I have today. And I still don’t have much to do with the organized religions and the church and stuff. Sometimes I will attend, but I really don’t uh I have a completely different I call it uh a practical relationship with God.
Okay, so tell me more about that.
My practical relationship with God is uh he’s a he’s a personal God, and I happen to believe that uh God’s presence is within every molecule in the entire universe. He’s not in some kind of location somewhere on a throne. He’s in every little molecule, not only all of the molecules that make up my body, but the all of the molecules that make up your body, and then all of the uh everything, the trees, the birds, the the you know, the fish in the sea, the stars out in the heavens, and all of these things. And as we continue to uncover even more information, just like right now, what we’re discovering about quantum mechanics continues to uh uh come into perfect alignment with my concept of of how a power such as God is uh is busy at work in the in the entire uh universe and beyond. So yeah, I have uh that that that’s my uh analogy.
Yes, there’s something that’s still bugging me, and I I want to ask you was there a moment, a turning point for you in your relationship with God that you can remember that then you saw a complete pivot into relationship with him?
Uh that’s I’ve not only experienced it, but I’ve seen it take place with the men that I’ve been working with in AA over the years. And uh for me, I felt the presence of God the first time while I was doing my fifth step with another man. And the fifth step is where we admitted where we were wrong to another uh person and uh to and to God. So it’s kind of a community effort, you know, two people in in the power of God uh as we lay these uh these discoveries at his feet. And that’s when I felt the presence. And then there was a time I was working with this man, this is years ago, and he was suffering, and I said, We’re gonna do an inventory, we’re gonna do a mini inventory, you know, just mom, dad, boss, kids, you know, uh just a just a mini one, just to get one started. And he s he got busy and he made a made all the lists that I told him to make, and then when we got together for his fifth step, that’s when I got it. I watched this man and he and as as we went through the process, I got to see the turnaround in him, and then I got clarity in regards to uh fear. You know, fear is nothing but an illusion and I got clarity right then and there. So uh I I’m pr I’m pretty sure that’s how God works. Whenever whenever whenever He wants to gift us, but in order for Him to gift us, we have to enter into a useful purpose here on the planet, so that uh the gift is just a byproduct of our being a blessing, you know, kick doing that same kind of blessing that Jesus w walked around doing.
So yes, this is how we become more and more like him, right? We we we love others the way he loves us, out of the abundance of his love. And for a long time, but those concepts are really foreign, I think, to individuals that kind of see God distant the way you used to, where he was like where we associated him with a church that maybe condemned us or charged us. Um, I know I felt that way in my first marriage. We would go to the Catholic church, and I would see my husband transform into this very loving husband while at church. And then the moment we would get home, it was like totally distant, very unaffectionate. Very and and your mind, when you’re young and you don’t know any better, like I was in my early 20s, I associated the hypocrisy that I experienced in the Catholic Church with God Himself, and that’s not God. That’s not God at all. Uh, in fact, when you read his word, which is I just finished the first run of the whole Bible yesterday. Because I had started in late 2023 uh when my father got his terminal diagnosis, and I started to read his word, and I started to just surrender to God daily. I mean, I I had zero control over this. My father was a Vietnam vet, and he had developed a meningoma because of the age in orange exposure. Um, he was a sergeant in Vietnam, and every time he cut, I guess, or they bombed their areas or whatever, um, they would get all the exposure. And so I didn’t want to feel anger or resentment or bitterness toward anybody. So I started to surrender daily to God. And then I started reading the Bible. But when my father passed away in June of last year, during Father’s Day, as a matter of fact, I I stopped for a little while because my grief was so great. And and I was all this, it was it was really hard for me to concentrate my mind. But eventually I I gave myself a lot of grace and I went back and I said, it it doesn’t matter where you start, it’s how you finish the race. The process in between can get real messy. We know. Uh, but as long as you pick yourself up and continue moving, despite the temptations to stop, which is what we know the enemy is nearby because he he wants to separate us from our purpose, our divine purpose, which it sounds like for you, that divine purpose is in recovery and helping other men, or is there another purpose that you that God has asked you to fulfill?
The transformation from me being withdrawn has been to become uh what we call service-minded. Step 12 is where we see how our experience can benefit others. And so uh my mission, uh very similar to Jesus’ mission, is to find ways that I can be a blessing to my community, see what I can contribute, and lift other people up. And that’s what fuels my uh my efforts as a writer, as an author, writing books that include uh inspiration from rec about transformation and recovery and and to just to give hope to the reader. And even I’ve been inspired to write a book about my relationship with the with the you know, my older brother with Asperger’s, because there must be people out there in frustrating situations that don’t know there’s a way, there’s a way out. So hopefully that book, whenever I get it finally put together, will be helpful to others. So, yeah, what has happened in recovery, I’ve become my primary purpose on the planet today is to find ways to be a blessing to others.
I love that. Because you know the the message that God gave me, because I have coffee chats with God every morning. This is my first appointment of the day. And I wake my I he woke me up at three this morning. I was like, can we stop doing these 3 a.m. wake-up calls, please? And then we have a download from you on Mothers of Time in Heaven. I get it, but do you realize I’m impairing menopause? You’re killing me. You want me to have joy and not turn into a beast during the day? Be nice. Wake me up at normal hours. But anyway, so I normally wake up early, and one of the things that he’s been promoting for me to share in a post and or do a coaching call on this podcast is the question: are you uh wanting to serve others or do you want to or do you or are you wanting to be served yourself in that concept, right? So we know that the concept of serving others is the servant leadership that Jesus Christ himself uh modeled for us the night before he was arrested, um, washing his disciples’ feet, including Judas, who he knew was going to betray him. Um if in that example, I find that this theme is coming up a lot more and more because that’s how our purpose is lived out fully, is to be of service to others, to be someone that serves first, doesn’t wait to be served. Uh, doesn’t wait, well, if my husband doesn’t do this, then I won’t do this, you know. That’s not the the covenant we form with Christ when we get married. The whole it’s not a contract anymore, right? This is why we say we’re in a fallen world. Everybody looks at, well, what am I getting out of this as opposed to how can I serve others? Concept. And I find that when we are serving others, even in simple things. Like yesterday, I was telling my husband I was having lunch by myself. Um, but I walked in to first watch in Lake Lying here in Austin, and I walked in at the same time as an older couple, and the host was walked up thinking we were all together. So it’s like, oh, table for three. And and the older couple was really like, uh, three? No, there’s two of us. And she turned and looked at me and I said, Oh, that’s okay, you know, and uh table for one for me. And she said, Well, we don’t have any secrets. In other words, she was inviting me to sit with them like a book, which is nice, you know, very kind. And I said, Oh, I don’t want to ruin your lunch with your husband. Uh uh I’ll sit by myself. I said, I have my book and I I have work to do, but I appreciate it. But what I proceeded to do for that simple act of kindness that you had towards me, I wanted to kind of surf back, right? It just empowered me to surf back. So when I got up to pay for my check, I asked the hostess if I could pick up their chat anonymously, like just not, don’t let them know. Like the ask, well, maybe tell them if you want, but I didn’t say one way or the other, I just kind of left it alone. What I find it’s an interesting thing with kindness is that it empowers others to be kind the whole day. When they see these acts of kindness, it spreads. Just like hatred spreads in this world, well, so does kindness. So I I want to encourage all the listeners on this episode to maybe today, as you listen, do a random act of kindness. Just do a random act, you know, and see how that makes you feel on the inside. That’s a way you can connect to our Lord. And that’s the most powerful way you can connect because that warms his heart. He knows that we’re his children, we’re his heirs, you know, in order for his word to spread, for us to spread his love. Right? Love me and love others the way I love you. Um, any last words of encouragement, Dave, you want to leave those with? And let us know how we can support your author journey. Do you have a website where you can purchase your books, or how do we access them?
I actually have been inspired to create an encouraging book for people, and I made it available for free as a free download on a website. And the uh the name of the book is Hit the Road and Thrive: Seven Secrets for Living the Dream. And it was actually inspired by one of my customers who said, Dave, you are living the life of your dreams, doing what you love, making people happy with what you do. You should write a book on how to do that. So I did. Now I did not want to sound preachy, and I did not want to sound like I was uh, you know, right straight out of the 12 steps of recovery, but I mixed in enough of that uh spirituality and psychology to to make it so that it uh it is an appropriate uh uh what do you call it? It’ll give you a leg up where from wherever you are. And it’s for people that might not know how to take take that step into the unknown in order to discover a success while adventuring. So I want to encourage the readers, and it’s a free download, hit the road and thrive. Seven Secrets for Living the Dream is available for free at the website Dave Letterfly.com.
Good to know. I’ll definitely download that one for sure. I think it’s a it’s a very good thing that you’re doing, Dave. Any last words of encouragement for those listening?
For anybody who might be considering the idea that, hey, wait a minute, there might be more than just this. My my uh words of encouragement are to reach out, you know, notice somebody who has uh a positive attitude or or or a loving uh exchange with their spouse or any number of things, a healthy attitude, and who’s somebody that’s that’s busy doing something nice for the community, and reach out and make those connections because uh it’s very important that we uh as uh people who aspire to uh raise ourselves up out of what l was limiting or kept us separated, is to make connections with uh healthy connections with not only uh our uh you know our God and uh other spiritual uh people that we admire, but especially with those in the community that are already ahead of us on on the uh selfless uh uh service, the service mentality that that provides it’s because that’s really the foundation of the joy that we get to enjoy today is our attitude about the people around us. So I urge you to reach out, connect, whether it’s you go to a church, whether you go to a recovery group, or even just a grief counseling, or any number of things. Reach out and become part of a group that you admire.
Love that. Love that. And for the listeners of Release At Reveal Purpose, remember Matthew 5.14 to be the light. Be the light like Dave was the light. You know, Dave decided he had had enough. And you can too. If you’re in addiction, if you addiction is taking over your life, if you’re losing all kinds of relationships, your job, your health, you can stop at any moment. You really can, but you can you need help doing that. So reach out for help. Reach out for someone in community, at your church, uh, in your job, just someone that you trust. Tell someone about your dark journey and how you need help, and they will help you. They will get the help that you need, but reach out. You cannot do this alone. Alone is not the way that God intends for us to deal with our trials and tribulations throughout life. So be like Dave and ask for help. Step into recovery. And I want to remind and just thank Dave for coming on the show, for blessing us with his story of recovery, for sharing so much wisdom of how he developed his relationship with God, especially for the men listening on the other end. This is vital to your development and your transformation within Christ. Reach out to God every day. He’s there with you, he’s never left you. And even though you guys are protectors and providers, and I know you guys are used to taking charge of things, you also need help. You’re also a child of his, and he’s your parent, and he can help you. So just reach out to him. He has all the answers that we’re looking for. I’m Sylvia Warsham. Thank you so much for joining us on Release Doubt Reveal Purpose. Have a beautiful and blessed day. Bye now.
Thank you.
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