He woke up from a coma and discovered the hardest part was not the hospital, it was the identity reset. I’m joined by author and speaker Lee Carlson, who shares what happened after a traumatic brain injury changed his memory, his personality, and the way he understood purpose. We talk honestly about the fear and anxiety that can follow a life-altering event, and how recovery becomes more than rehab when you have to rebuild your inner life from the ground up.
Lee takes us into the practices that helped him heal: mindfulness meditation rooted in Zen Buddhism, the importance of finding a real meditation teacher, and why a one-size-fits-all approach rarely works when you’re trying to steady your mind. We get practical about posture, breathing, and even where you place your gaze, plus how movement like walking meditation and running can deepen body awareness. If you’re searching for tools for anxiety relief, self-care, and resilience, you’ll leave with simple ideas you can start using right away.
We also go deeper into spirituality and transformation, including the language we use for God, the experience of presence that feels bigger than words, and the lesson both of us keep coming back to: letting go. Lee shares how community and sangha build courage, why progress is not linear, and how his books Passage To Nirvana and A Single Excellent Night translate hard-earned wisdom into a path forward.
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Transcript:
Silver here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Hello, bringers. It’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Release Outreview Purpose. And today is Lee Carlson from Buffalo, New York. His story is powerful, y’all. I can’t wait to get into it. He is someone that unfortunately went through a traumatic brain injury, went through a divorce, ended up being a father of two kids, and then lost his identity. And all of us have gone through journeys that are dark. And navigating through that can be very tricky. Some of us stay in those dark chapters, stay in what we call the comfortable zone, but what my brilliant husband calls it your miserable zone, because you’re not comfortable at all. It’s where your wounds are here are informing your choices and you are staying stuck in these circumstances. But what these pivotal moments give you is an opportunity to leave that old life and step into the essence of who you were created to be. And God sometimes has an interesting sense of humor. He had it with Lee, he had it with me. As those know that have listened to the podcast, I received three miracles in 72 hours. But it was quite a painful chapter. I had pulmonary embolisms, those aren’t easy to have in Bud Carrie syndrome, which is extremely painful and very deadly, carrying an 80% chance of dying. So to wake up in a coma and to like have to start all over again is what Lee’s going to be taking us through. So without further ado, Lee, thank you so much for joining us on release that review purpose.
Thanks, Sylvia. It’s great to be here. Thank you for having me.
Oh, it’s my pleasure. And I’m already feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit. So I know that what you have to say is something that someone needs to hear on the other side of this interview. So if you would please honor us with those, that amazing story of transformation you have to share.
Sure. So as you alluded to, I was in a bad accident back in 2002. And prior to that, I’d been a very high-functioning individual. I’d been a journalist in New York and then had my own marketing company and a lot of big clients. And next day, I wake, or not next day, but several days later, I wake up after having been in a coma for a few days. And that started me on a journey, a journey of healing and a journey of finding out who I really was. Because when you have a brain injury, part of what can happen is there can be all sorts of changes. There can be cognitive changes, but also personality changes. And I’m very lucky. My neurologist said to me, you know, you’re one of the lucky few. You’ve been to the edge and come back. You know, a lot of people go over the edge and they end up in a wheelchair, they end up, you know, not being able to think or talk. And other people have a bump on the head and get a concussion, which is still serious, but it’s not as serious as a traumatic brain injury. And he said, You’ve, you know, you came back. Um, and a lot of that was thanks to good doctors and good therapists. And he also encouraged me to write a book. He said, you know, being a writer, why don’t you, you know, a lot of people need to know about this. So write a book. So I wrote my first book 15 years ago called Passage to Nirvana, which was about my recovery. And the recovery using um I’m a Zen Buddhist, so that’s my spiritual path. I grew up Presbyterian, I still consider myself that as well. But it it gave me a relationship. I I use the word God sometimes, but it scares a lot of people. So I also use the word the great spirit. I, you know, it gave me a relationship, and and for the next ever ever since then, which is now 24 years, um, and I ended up with a great spiritual teacher as and master named Peter Matheson, who taught me all sorts of wonderful things, including me leading me down a path to I find I was able to experience what you might call miracles, um, you know, which was connecting with the great spirit of a couple, and then I wrote a second book that just came out in October. That the first book chronicled more, they cover overlap some of the same time period. They’re both memoirs, but the first one addresses more the brain injury aspect, and the new one addresses more the spiritual aspect and and what you can learn from a wise spiritual teacher and the amazing moments you can have when you connect with the great spirit and um and how it can help you heal.
And that’s it, and then that John, this is why you’re a journalist, because you can get right to the point pretty quickly. This is why why your gift is so beautiful and and what and how God has gifted you in this world. And I I’m blessed that you’re on the show now simply because you are shedding light into modalities, into techniques and skills that others can use if they’re faced with these chapters. So can you dive deeper into what this new book is kind of coaching or guiding people on in terms of the meditation and the inner being one with source, with spirit, however people want to call it. I call him God because I’ve had a close encounter with death and and Christ Himself made himself known in the ICU room on Easter Sunday morning. That’s in my my free chapter on my website that people can download and and get. But it sounds like you also had a similar encounter, and this book is the gift you’re given to humanity to share that wisdom. So could you guide us a little bit on the wisdom you’re sharing?
Sure. So I joke that I I probably did meet God and see the white light and all that stuff because in my accident. But unfortunately, because I was in a coma and I have I have memory loss because of the brain injury, I don’t remember anything about the accident or months before the accident or a month after the accident. So it probably happened to me, but I I have the bad fortune not be able to remember it. So so um so I started studying with Peter Matheson and I started Zen studies with him. And and you know, mindfulness is all the rage these days, the word mindfulness, the idea of mindfulness. And basically that’s what Zen teaches, except it’s an ancient, you know, it’s a thousand-year-old training program, is the way I view it. And a good teacher teaches you how to sit, how to breathe, how to meditate, and how to really do that. And there are a lot of apps now, there are a lot of YouTube videos, there are a lot of people that teach it. But um, in my case, I do really recommend that you find a good teacher because a good teacher can look you in the eye, can see into your soul, can kind of figure out how to guide you because we’re all individuals, we’re all different. So, you know, there’s not a cookie-cutter approach, a one size fits all. And and that’s what you get from apps and from YouTube videos. But a good teacher will get to know, get to know you. I mean, I spent thousands and thousands of hours with Peter, not just in meditation, but talking to him about my life and my accident and who I was and and who I wanted to be because I had to relearn who I was and who I wanted to be, and I had to reframe who I, you know, who I was and what my purpose was in life. And he really helped me do that. And so the techniques are at their base, are sitting cross-legged, putting your hands a certain way, breathing a certain way, holding your eyes a certain way, because it’s interesting, the ancients kind of developed all this on their own, but modern neurology has taught us that if you, for example, one of the minor, not so minor things is when you’re sitting meditating, if you put your gaze down your nose and sort of focus on the end of your nose and towards the flow that way, it actually does something in the optic nerve and how it connects to your brain, and it actually does change your brain waves a little bit and change how you experience the world. And so, you know, having good teachers that can teach you that sort of thing, I think, is important. Um, I also I know you you had somebody on your your podcast recently talking about movement. Um, you know, the stillness is important and learning stillness is important, but movement is important too. Peter’s right-hand person was a woman named Dorothy Friedman who had been a uh prima ballerina at a big company in Manhattan, and she also worked a lot. I mean, she would always say to me, you know, Lee, listen to your body. Your body doesn’t lie. You know, your brain can try to play tricks on you, but you know, learn movement and learn meditate. Like we did a lot of walking meditation, and then even, you know, I’m I’m an athlete, I run, um, you know, I ride my bike, and so becoming aware, becoming totally mindful and aware of not only what’s going on in your mind, but going on in your body, those are all things that a good teacher can continue to reinforce and talk to you about and lead you down that path and really and really help you become more mindful of of who you are, mindful of the world around you, mindful of the people around you and what they need from you. So it’s a very powerful tool.
I love all the techniques you share because honestly, when we combine medicine, like modern medicine, neurology, with ancient, even biblical concepts, because Christ Himself would meditate and pray and move away in silence from his disciples. People were like, where is he? Nobody knew where he was. He was connecting to God the Father, to source. You know, it was like he was teaching us, even as he was here on earth, how meditation and prayer and silence and even movement was important to recalibrate. Because when we’re out there in identity, in our calling, we can get drained if we don’t know how to do this for ourselves. People call it self-care. I call it being one with self, like really being in full alignment to the true nature, the essence of who we are. And it’s something I discuss in my book in Faith, I thrive, finding joy through God’s master plan. And so despite our circumstances, despite trials and tribulations, we can create the space, and it doesn’t have to be, you know, in church. Some people are like, oh, you you go to church for that? I’m like, no, you could go in nature. You can go for a run. You can go, I mean, you didn’t see Christ going into the temple. He would actually be out in nature doing this. He’s teaching us this is over 2,000 years ago now, right? How to be with one with self and one with source so that we can move forward um in alignment. Can you speak to us more, uh, Lee, if you can how these techniques have have helped you stay in alignment um and and in your purpose? Because I hear that you’re writing books. Is there anything else you’re doing as well that is also in alignment to your spirit?
Sure. So, you know, the book is just a calling card, it’s just a way to sort of get to people. And then I’ve, for example, in the last couple months, I’ve given a number of talks and a number of readings. Um, I recently spoke at a high school. Um, and I sp I spent an entire day there. I taught three classes, I gave a lecture to the um to the high school, and then a lecture at the junior high school. And so by getting out in the world and and bringing this message to people, um it’s it can be powerful. And I think people need to hear it. I had I had lunch with a friend of mine um yesterday, actually, who his two granddaughters went to this school. And he said to me, Oh, you know, my granddaughters came home and they were talking about this guy that talked to them and how wonderful he was, and all these great things he said to them. And then they said to me, Grandpa, are are you you’re about the same age as this guy? And he said he laughed. He said, Yeah, yeah, I went to school and we were in the same class, we’re friends. Um, so before Peter died, one of the things he said to me, he said, I want you to teach. He said, You know enough to teach, I want you to teach. And um, another mentor of mine, my aunt Joanna Macy, she was one of the first Buddhist women um nuns in the country. She lived in Tibet when she was in the Peace Corps and and ended up meeting the Dalai Lama and some Dalai Lamas, and that she sort of done her down that path. And um, and she recently passed away this spring at age 96, I think it was. And so I’m feeling like my mentors are leaving this world, and it’s time for me to sort of step up and take their place. So, you know, this podcast, an example of that, the talking to groups, talking to schools. Um, I’ve got a website, leecarlsen.life, which you can get resources on there. And I’m gonna be starting a whole um YouTube channel with a lot of talks and things that people can access and hopefully some wisdom on there. So it’s it’s just bringing the message and just getting out there and telling people about these things is uh to me very important.
It’s interesting that you mentioned that you’ve been in schools recently because that’s been the prompting I’ve gotten from God Himself to step back into the schools. And I’m curious to know what kind of questions are these young minds asking you as you’re lecturing to them.
Well, it’s very funny because I love kids. Um, they you never know what they’re gonna focus on. And because it was a school, I tried to make it non, you know, fairly non-religious and not even too much spiritual. I was talking more about humanity and humanness and how to maintain our humanness and and things like compassion and that sort of thing. And um, and I had some slides and um and I had a couple pictures of me with my dog, and um, of course, you know, they all want to know about my dog. And um, but I thought it was wonderful because they weren’t asking me questions about technology or about, you know, they were asking me very human questions about, you know, your dog and your relationship with your dog and that sort of thing. But then they did ask me, you know, beyond that, they did ask me questions about um compassion and and and my who I’d look what I’d learned and that sort of thing. So it it it was all over the map, depending on the kid, but it’s fun.
It’s fun. I actually walked into my daughter’s classroom recently for career day. I was I felt like a fish out of water because I was the only life coach author there. The rest were doctors, lawyers, and engineers. And I was trying to explain to these doctors, lawyers, and engineers is I actually guide people. I’m a spiritual transformative coach and I guide people into their divine calling and identity. And I work with high achievers because we tend to um search outside of ourselves for that fulfillment and that alignment. And we find ourselves, like you and I found ourselves being woken up and told that’s not where you’re gonna find it. You’re gonna find it within. That fulfillment and that alignment is gonna find within. And when they’re little kids, they’re actually is when some of these skills and gifts are revealed to them, and then they have, you know, the modeling from their parents and experiences that they have that may blind them to the truth of who they are, right? And and they can shift and they can end up in first acts like you and I ended up in pharmaceuticals, you ended up in a consultant role with Jansen, but I was knee deep in Pfizer sales in my first act, and it’s not who I was. And so God needed a wake-up call and and decided that my choice to take breast control pills because, like a good Mexican girl, I didn’t want to get pregnant while dating my second husband. Well, that was the least of my problems, as most people know. Pulmonary moralism is not, it’s no joke. Uh, most people die with one. I had multiple, I mean, it I had over seven uh throughout my lungs, and um, and I had had to pass through uh the main artery in my in my heart to get to my left lung the night before, and they were rather large. And God being such a humorous guy said, Well, you’re the one that made that choice, you know, you had the consequence. Let me use that to shift you. And as I was talking to these kids, what I noticed is they already know who they want to become. They, I think, are afraid to step into that space. Can you guide the listeners on how you had the courage and the confidence to step into a whole new realm um from this dark chapter in your life?
Oh boy. Um yeah, where do you find that courage? I mean, I think so. In Buddhism, we talk about the three treasures or the three jewels, and one is the Buddha, sort of the that spiritual teacher, one is the um is the teachings, and the other is what they call the Sangha, which is like the congregation. And I think it really helps to have people around you that believe in what you’re doing and that will help you. Um if you were if you’re surrounded by people that are negative about your path and that are naysayers and that kind of try to block you from doing what you know you need to do, you need to shift a little bit. You need to find people that will be supportive and that are doing the same thing you’re doing. And I think that gives you courage. And I think that helps you to think, you know, the old saying, no man is an island or no woman is an island. Um I think that some of us have more courage than others. I was kind of lucky in that I had always been um a little bit of an adventurer before this happened. I’d always done some crazy things in sports and other things. Um, so I had, you know, some of the innate stuff that I’d learned over the years that I’d been born with. But even so, I was full of anxiety, I was full of um doubt. I mean, I’d lost my ability to think clearly and know who I was. And so I was very lucky to find Nali Peter Madsen, but his group, his sangha, which was about oh, 20, 25 people on any given day that you know we would sit and meditate with. And then after my and I started with him before my accident, just about a year before, because I was going through this terrible divorce, and I just felt really like I wasn’t who I wanted to be, and I didn’t feel grounded. I felt angry and anxious, and and I was like, okay, I can’t live like this, so I need something. So I I discovered him and his group and meditation, and um, and I thought I was just looking for meditation, but it ended up being something so much bigger. And then after the accident, I was shipped to Florida for rehab, and I was in rehab for a year in Florida, and um when I was in outpatient rehab, I found a group in Florida, and I found another very good teacher and a very good group of, you know, they would meet on two nights a week, like Sundays and Wednesdays, I think it was, and there’d be maybe 30 people, but they were all like-minded people that were so supportive and helped you feel like ah, okay, this is because I come from a very conservative family, and they thought I had, you know, joined a cult or something. And I mean, they were supportive too in their way, but you know, still it wasn’t quite the same. And so, um, so I think finding people that, you know, you don’t have to go it alone, I guess is what I’m saying. Finding people that will help you and and help you discover courage and discover who you are and keep you on the path, I think will really that’s a good thing.
What I heard you say is something that I did myself too, because we all need community. We’re not meant to do this alone. Now, realize God is always with us. He promised us that he would always be there. Seek me with all your heart and you’ll find me, right? He says it in his word. Uh, what I also find interesting is how his he protects us. You mentioned how you felt a pull to connect to this community. You found Peter even before your accident because you were going through this major divorce. It’s in those dark chapters that you find the light, and he is there. He is the light, and he’ll guide you. You’ll feel a pull in your soul to do something, and he’ll make it easy for you. You you don’t realize it’s him until you sit and reflect. That’s what happened to me when I sat and reflected in 2020 as I was writing my first manuscript. Um, Journey to Me was the title of that initial uh book, uh, Trust the Wisdom of Change. And in it, the Lord was saying, you need to write this book now because he could see what was going to happen later and the choices of those around us. And that’s why we always say, God’s knowledge is so much bigger than ours. You want him on your side. You want to have him guide you because he can see what’s coming next. We’re creatures of wanting that control in our circumstances, yet we don’t really have it. That’s an illusion. We found that out really dramatically in 2020 when we all lost control of circumstances, of just the world shut down. And we realize that we are. Not in control. What we have is a maker of a universe that wants us to know him and wants us to connect with him in relationships so that he can help us, so that we can, in essence, produce that love and that joy and that fulfillment that we seek. We can only get it through him. Yet we, man, we are so stubborn sometimes. We want to just keep doing this alone. So I’m I commend you, uh Lee, for for listening to your soul’s promptings, for acting on them prior to your to your accident, because it sounds like God was preparing you and equipping you for your journey. Um what do you think was the greatest lesson he was teaching you in this process?
Well, you talk about thinking we’re in control, and I think one of the greatest lessons is just letting go. Um, you know, when you’re a high-performing individual, even when you’re not, I mean, a lot of people just we think we’re in control of things. And and when something comes along and slaps you alongside the head, like a pulmonary embolism or a traumatic brain injury, you quickly learn that you’re not in control. And then um, and I I had another teacher, another Zen teacher in Florida, who I I being an impatient New Yorker, I one day I said to him, I said, What’s the secret of Zen? As if there’s like, you know, one thing you know, you’re gonna learn it in like two seconds. And um, but to his credit, he was patient with me and he just sort of laughed and he said, It’s letting go. He said, The secret is letting go. And um, and I think that’s true. I think when you let go, anxiety is reduced. I think you know the need to control things is reduced. And when you let go, you can appreciate what’s going on around you more. You don’t feel a need to change it. So suddenly the world seems much more beautiful and accepting. And and because you’re not you’re not going, oh my god, this, I gotta change this, I gotta fix this, I gotta do that. Um, so I think that that’s one of one of the biggest lessons. And the other one is self-love, self-care. Um, Tigna Han, the great Vietnamese on master, always said, you know, give yourself a big hug. And um, yeah, exactly. And um, and I think, you know, in Christianity, the same thing, which is charity begins at home. We often think that means in our house, but it it in it does, but it also means with ourselves. I mean, if you want charity to really begin at home, the first place it starts is inside your chest, you know, and inside your head. Um, so I think that idea of knowing the self, being aware of the self, learning who the self is, you know, um being good to yourself. And when you’ve had a brain injury, that you by definition you have to relearn who you are and your sense of self. Um, and Zen is all about that too. Zen is about learning who you are and yourself, and and uh and then eventually once you learn that, it’s not, you know, it sounds egotistical and it sounds narcissistic, but it’s not because once you reach that point, then you can then you can take that to others and you can help people around you, you can help your family, your coworkers, your friends. You can you’re as Pierre you said to me, you’re giving something off. You know, you’re giving off a love, a compassion, a an understanding of others that can be really powerful.
So I love what you said, and the word level up is coming into my consciousness. So I know the Holy Spirit’s wanting to ask you this question. What do you think is your next level up? What do you think he’s wanting from you? We know that he has you teaching, because that’s something that you’re actively doing now. You’ve written the book, you’ve been obedient this whole time to your soul’s um identity and purpose. But you as you and I both have experienced in our life, there’s not a journey to anything, that’s always in the journey. There’s always a leveling up, we’re always learning and more and more. What do you what do you think he has in store for you as your last level up?
So I think it’s still teaching, but teaching can have many different levels. You know, you can start out as a teacher teaching meditation and teaching how to sit and how to breathe, and those are all good things. But um in my newest book, I recount a couple, as you say, miracles. Um, and the last one that the book ends with is really a meeting with the great spirit. And I was on a beach and the heavens opened up, and it just is such an it’s hard to just it’s almost indescribable. It is indescribable. I try to describe it in the book, but it’s indescribable. And you feel that universal love and you connect with the other and you connect with that, it’s just so profound. And I think when you talk about courage, it’s hard to talk about that, and it’s and you’re, I don’t know, finding the courage to really have that be what you’re teaching and have that be the message, and have people because a lot of people will not understand it or will poo-poo it or think it’s you know, new age mumbo jumbo, but um, but it’s not. And I think that’s I think that’s the level up, that’s the next step of of having the courage to really get out there and talk to people about it and make that you know the message.
So it’s it is, you’re right. People look at this and say, oh, that’s um the term they use a lot is boo-boo. I’m not a big boo-woo fan, um, because I’m very faith-based. So I as a spiritual transformative coach, I I connect with the Lord daily. I mean, that is my first appointment of the day. Anyone that’s ever listened to this podcast knows I wake up sometimes at 4.30 in the morning, Texas time, of course. So that would be 5.30 your time in New York. And I have my one cup of coffee I’m allowed by my doctors to have. And I sit and I chat with God. And I can see my husband is not only a brilliant electrical engineer, he also is very good with his hands and he’s done woodworking, and he gave me this beautiful gift not too long ago, um, uh of a cross with Jesus Christ’s image embedded in it. And it’s just it’s gorgeous, and it’s what I see every morning. So literally, I’m having a coffee chat across the way from the Lord, and I find that it gives me a sense of peace. To be in his presence is very hard to put into words. I agree with you on that. There is no amount of human words to portray that acceptance, that warmth, the kindness and gentleness that we feel in his presence when we are one with him, and where he reveals these truths to us so gently. Even the stuff that’s hard to hear for us is done in such a gentle way, it’s it’s really hard to describe. I had a really hard time describing his presence in my free chapter. There was nothing that could come close to expressing how seen how I felt, how I felt understood for the first time in my life. It was like it was like he had opened up my soul, token looking and and then zipped it up, and that’s that’s what it felt like. It felt indescribable. There are no words, and so I’m with you on that. And I think this is what we want for the listeners of release. Is don’t look outside yourself for this fulfillment. You’ll be spinning your wheels for a long time, and you’ll be left really with that energy, you’ll be drained trying to seek that outside of yourself. And instead, turn within. Whatever that looks like for you in prayer, in meditation, out for a run, like Lee does, you know, walk in nature, whatever it is that your soul needs in the moment, listen to that prompting and act on it. And they’re not big steps, they’re baby steps. This is how we start moving out of these dark chapters, really into embodying joy. And then from that joyful space, from that meditative state, then surrender to God’s sovereignty is way easier than to do it from the dark space that we were in. It’s a journey, and it’s not to anything. It’s joy in the journey, it’s peace, it’s love and fulfillment in the journey. Don’t forget about those gifts he’s trying to give you in your community and who he surrounds you with and how he protects you and who he brings into your life, that the gifts that you have to give, that’s also gifting you. When you give to another human being, when you’re kind to them, you also receive a gift. Don’t forget that. Any last words of encouragement, Lee, that you want to leave the listeners with? And remind us again your website and where we can purchase your books and the name of your book, please.
Sure. So the thing I would say to give people encouragement is not just baby steps, but that sometimes we take steps backwards, and that’s okay. Um, you know, this path is not all linear, it’s kind of like two steps forward, one step back, it loops around. I mean, and and that’s okay. Be kind to yourself. You know, don’t think, oh my gosh, I have to like, you know, these people that are on this podcast have seen these amazing things and done these amazing things that I have to get to where they are right away. You may never get there, and it’s fine. You know, it’s it’s okay to be where you are right now today, it’s fine, and um and be good to yourself and realize that. So that’s one thing. Um, yes, the website is leecarlsen.life, and you can sign up for my email list there. And when you sign up, you’ll get two free um two free PDFs. One is how to find a great teacher. It’s uh I think it’s five or six pages because I get a lot of questions from people saying, Yeah, how do you find a meditation teacher? How do you find a teacher for mindfulness? And so I decided there’s actually a chapter in the book, and my one friend who’s a Tai Chi teacher said, Oh, I wish I could give this to people. And I said, Well, then let’s do that. Let’s rewrite it as a free handout, and so you can get that. And then also, um, if you have a book club or if you’re a teacher, there’s a I think it’s a 15-page study guide with questions that you can ask um to help get discussion started with in your book club or with students. So you get both of those for free. Um, the books, both books are available on Amazon, they’re all um five-star reviews, mostly five-star reviews on Amazon. Uh, the most recent book is called A Single Excellent Night. And when it was released back in October, it was number one bestseller in five Amazon categories, including things like male spirituality and Zen Philosophy and things like that. Um, and uh it’s available in hardcover, uh paperback, and ebook. We’re working right now on the audiobook, so hopefully that will be out soon. Um, and on my website also is my email and even my phone number. And I encourage people to reach out to me if they want other people to say I’m crazy to like just you know put out my contact info to the general public. But I enjoy it. I enjoy hearing from people and helping people, so um, so there’s that there as well.
So that’s why you and I were very similar because I have the same thing. So don’t worry. I have my email even on the back cover of my book, it’s all in there, and so you can reach out to both of us that way. So if you have any questions from this episode or beyond, you can always contact me on my webpage, www.sylviaworsham.com. Uh Lee, it’s been such a pleasure to have you on the show, and thank you for sharing your amazing story of transformation and the wisdom that you gain from your teachers across uh your lifetime. And I look forward to getting your book and learning some more on the spiritual journey. And for my listeners, you know how I always sign off to remember Matthew 5.14 to be the light. Be the light, just like Lee and I have been the light. If we can go through this journey in this darkness and come out on the other side of joy soaking you, there is nothing stopping you. Remember, the Lord is giving you a spirit of confidence, of power, of love and self-discipline. So you’ve got what it takes already inside of you to take those baby steps. And even if you take two steps forward and one step back, um, you are still on the right path for uh discovering your calling and your identity and that beautiful light that you were always meant to be. Have a wonderful week, stay safe. Love y’all. Bye now.
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