He woke up in a hospital and regretted it instantly. That single moment became the line between an ending and a calling for Joseph M. Leonard, who joins us to share the true story behind his 2004 suicide attempt and what it took to rebuild a life that still felt worth living.
We talk about the quiet danger of isolation, the “ugly voices” that convince you the world would be better without you, and why saying those thoughts out loud can be the first act of suicide prevention.
We also go somewhere most shows won’t: AI chatbots and suicide risk. As a former IT professional, Joseph pays close attention to lawsuits and the way “always be supportive” logic can go wrong when someone is spiraling toward self-harm. We unpack why technology needs guardrails, why reality-based perspective matters, and what real encouragement sounds like when the stakes are life and death.
From there, we get practical. We share small steps that can break a dark loop: get up, get out, go where people are, force a smile, use humor to reconnect, and challenge the thought that you’re a loser by asking for evidence and reframing it with truth.
We also dig into identity and purpose, especially when disability, career loss, or life setbacks strip away what you used to rely on. If you’re searching for meaning, faith-based resilience, or tools for mental health and hope, this conversation will meet you where you are.
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Transcript:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
I’ve still got a lot of fun left in me.
Hey Lightbringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Release Out Review Purpose. And today is Joseph Leonard, and his story is powerful. Incredible testimony about how life has value, it has meaning. He had a suicide attempt in 2004. Obviously, he failed at it because he’s here with us now to share his amazing story of transformation. So without further ado, Joseph, thanks so much for joining us on Released Out Reveal Purpose.
Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. This is obviously not something that I’m stoked to talk about. That, you know, I’m eager to talk with everybody about it, but I feel I must talk about it because people need to hear this.
Yes, they do. And actually, parents need to talk to their kids about this. Because a lot of children are taking their own life. When they get bullied and they feel like life has no meaning, they they’re worthless. They’re not losers. And they believe the lies that people tell them or their thoughts. Their own thoughts are telling them that. And it gets overwhelming. So I want you to dive deep into the subject. I’m not afraid of the subject, by the way. And neither are my listeners. It’s very necessary to talk about this in this day and age with the level of anxiety in the world currently and all the issues we’re having. It’s very important that we dive deep in it. So please take us back to those dark days. Tell us about it.
Well, first I want to touch on because you mentioned with the suicides today. I’m a former IT guy, so I’m paying attention to these lawsuits against the AI chat boxes about suicide. In fact, I’ve written tinyurl.com JLD on B4IN, the Forx news site, on this subject of the lawsuits in AI, because the AIs are coded in such a way, it seems, in my opinion. I’ve not seen the code, but my experience with testing them is if you’ve seen the old sci-fi movies, the old robot AI, the prime directive, do not harm humans, right? It seems like that one out the window. And prime directive one seems be supportive and encouraging. Well, there’s gotta be exceptions to that rule. If someone wants to harm another, no, you can’t be supportive and encouraging. If someone wants to harm themselves, obviously, no, you can’t be encouraging and supportive. So that’s a human problem in IT the old saying, most people have heard giggo, garbage in, garbage out. They’re only as good as they’re programmed, and they’re programmed badly, in my opinion. You have to have exceptions. Yes, okay, be encouraging and supportive, but you gotta be realistic too. You cannot encourage harm against others or self. And example, even, oh, I want to go to Hollywood, I’m gonna be the next Bruce Willis or Leonardo DiCaprio or Merrill Street. Okay, great, but you do know and realize reality must enter in. Most line up being waiters and waitresses because they don’t break into movies, and those who do, it is a fraction of a percent of those who go on to be multimillion billion dollar stars. So that’s a problem with the online issue regarding suicide, allegedly encouraged via the chat boxes. So, but yeah, back to me individually, 2004, I had just gone on disability, wasn’t able to work anymore, lost that as a big part of my identity. Uh that put strains on my marriage, my wife had left, so there was a whole lot of things that were pressuring me, and indeed those ugly voices that get in your head. Well, one day uh I wasn’t really contemplating suicide, but I was of the mindset if I weren’t here anymore, that would be a good thing, and that’s a lie, and we’ll get into that more. But the one day is as if I was there, I knew what was happening, but as if another force took control. I took a Xanax for the night, then I took two, then I took a handful, then I took the rest of the bottle. And the next thing I know, I’m waking up in the hospital. So So who found you? Who found you? Thankfully, for whatever reason, since I was since my wife was in Chicago at the time, I was living alone. My mother decided she had a key to the house, so she decided for whatever reason she was moved to come over and check on me and found me in the kitchen on the floor at the refrigerator. So yeah.
It’s called a mother’s intuition, and it’s usually in my case. I’m a woman of faith, the Holy Spirit prompted her. Like, move. Because when when the Holy Spirit prompts, it’s because he sees the motivation, he sees everything. Nobody else can see that. She was prompted, she moved in, and she found you.
I agree.
By the grace of God, you’re here, right?
Absolutely. God was not done with me yet, nor is he really done with the rest of you. That voice telling you leave, you the world would be better off without you, is Satan on your shoulder. It’s demons in your head. And my entire Life and Living series of books in part deals with that.com slash life and living series. That’ll take you to the Amazon page for that series of books. Because indeed, all life has value and meaning. It isn’t like the movie It’s a Wonderful Life. You’re not going to have a clearance come down and show you what life would be like without you. And remember, that’s a moofy. It’s made to be very dramatic. You’re not likely to have saved somebody who then goes on to be a war hero and saves countless other lives, or stop a pharmacist from poisoning a child by compounding a drug incorrectly, which ruins many lives. That’s not likely to happen. Like in my the Book of Kennedy Project Carpe Diem, I specifically lay out the small things, arcs, like the movie Evan Almighty, which was the sequel to Bruce Almighty. Arcs, he does build a physical arc, but A-R-K, acts of random kindness. Kennedy gives a smile to someone who’s having a divorcee who’s at holy cow creamery. I write a local ice cream stand into the book. Uh smiles at him, he’s having that she isn’t even feeling it, so she forces a smile. But that helps him feel better. Because he, you know, he’s there with the kids and they’re arguing over what they’re going to get, and she can see he’s stressed. And that helps him. And then guess what? And granted, this is fiction, but this mirrors real what can and does happen in real life. We just don’t see it. He then goes on to remarry. Then they have a child who cures cancer. The butterfly effect. Yes. What did that one small smile? Kennedy doesn’t even remember anymore, but Sam does, and it cures a cancer. That butterfly. Small things you will never even think about that matter. And if you’re not here for that, that’s missing, that’s absent. Something big could be missed if you leave.
I totally agree. And you see me like nodding my head, because kindness is the fruit of the spirit. We know that there’s major conflict inside of our mind between the ego identity and the soul identity, and the soul where spirit lives, where spirit is longing to guide you into these random acts of kindness that are spilling over into humanity and your skill sets too, you know. That the valuable side of us is that we can help someone that we once were. Like right now, you are helping people with suicide that are concentrating it. You are through your books, through your podcast interviews. You gotta believe that. That’s believing ego skills.
Yeah.
And that’s the value that we bring. In my case, I’m someone that is leading, guiding high achievers into their higher calling because I was once a high achiever. I was once that felt worthy, worthless. I had to achieve to feel worthy. And I can help women that feel that have attached their pay uh to their worthiness. And that’s how we are.
I lost that one-on-one on disability. Yeah, I had a six-figure, great IT career. I didn’t necessarily love all the people I was working with, but you know, that’s hey, that’s life. Get over it, right? That’s reality. Let’s be rooted in reality. But hey, I had a great six-figure salary. I loved what I was doing, had some nice toys, and now I barely keep the roof over my head and the food on the table getting by on the disability income. So yeah, I lost a big part of my identity.
And but we have a different identity in him, and that’s the part that we miss. We’re so caught up with what the world tells us who we are, and we’re not the high achievers, we are not the mother. First off, we are children of his, of the king. Number one, we are chosen for a particular mission here on earth. We all have value because we all were given unique gifts to use as being part of the body of Christ. We all are working in unison to move humanity forward within our skill sets. But a lot of people are caught up with competing with one another and the imposter syndrome. And why can’t I have that? And the thing is this: you are not supposed to be them, you’re supposed to be you. Who are you? It’s get to the core of who you are and and look within at all the journey you have been on because the clues are there to who you’re supposed to be helping. None of this pain that we’ve been through has been in vain. He uses there’s pain to purpose. You went through pain because you had those voices in your mind that said, Life would be better if you left it. You need to leave, you know, and then you took the pills, and it was because of God and your mother’s action and listening to her intuition and and what and and going to your apartment and finding you that you’re still here today. So tell us more, um, Joseph, on you started to pick up the pieces. Can we?
Yeah, sure. Two things, though, you mentioned like the imposter syndrome, very real thing. You don’t feel worthy of what you’ve got and whatnot. That again, those are those ugly voices in your head, and the keeping up with the Jones’s rat race, worldly pressures uh on us. And the other thing is laughter is the little acts of kindness as we talked. Also, laughter is a great. I’m Jokester Joe, aka Jokester Joe on Savaged Unfiltered, that I used to co-host that podcast. King of the Lame Puns, right? Even I I I record music on and with Suno now, tinyurl.com slash JLD on Suno. I have one song there called Jamakin’s Me Crazy with these puns, right? It’s a it’s a parody, Jamaican reggae, uh on that joke. Jamakin’s me crazy, mon I re, right? But even a bad, bad pun is a good one, mon seriously. Bad jokes, even even cringe is better than nothing, right? A good laugh in terror strikes coming soon to a city near you. I talk about Patch Adams. Oh, I love him. Oh my goodness, I love him. Laughter may not be the best medicine, but it matters. It helps connection chemicals.
It creates connection with another human being. When you feel connected, you don’t feel alone anymore.
That and it does literally release good positive endorsing chemicals that help the healing process. So that’s all important. But yeah, my recovery after I immediately regretted what happened. I immediately knew, oh, uh, I’m not gonna be happy about talking about this, but this is something I need to dedicate as my new mission in life, my calling now. And I’d always been writing. Uh my dad, Ted Lunner Jr. and the Polka Kings had a three-record deal. I always I wrote and recorded music, but I never got a record deal. So hence now I I I know all the ins and outs of music and actually recording and playing instruments and writing sheet music. So I like to hope to think that means I do better songs on Suno than you know just some random person playing with it, because I understand those structures, but I’d always written stories through since high school, also. And like terror strikes came to me in a dream. The Book of Kennedy Project Care Pedium came to me. Most of these I say, I transcribe them. They may be through me, but that’s the point. They’re from above and come through me to tell these tales of even terror strikes, not about death and destruction, life and living, and meaning in life that we have to you know remind others of. So that immediately became my point and purpose. I’d always been writing, okay, now I need to take this through self-publishing to an international level. With self-publishing, it’s easier to do, but it also means your voice is lost among a sea of bazillions of people who are self-publishing, so you have to fight harder, like coming on shows like this to talk about those things uh to deliver that message. But it was my way of indeed turning God using me, as you said, to take a bad situation and turn it for good, like the Charlie Kirk assassination. No, I don’t think for a minute God wanted Charlie Kirk killed. But Kirk, Kirk in German, church. That’s not coincidental that then God takes that and turns it for good, and younger people are packing the churches now. So he took a bad thing and will use it for good.
Well, that’s why we that’s why we are redeemed. He takes our broken pieces and he redeems us in the spaces that hurt us. If you look at it, look, look what happened with me, look what happened with you. Everything where there was pain, he said, I want to make you whole again. I want you to feel whole in me. Right? I’m taking on. I want to break this up for people, Joseph, and I’ll tell you why I want to do that. You said you regretted it the minute you woke up in the hospital. But do tell us some baby steps that people can take that have that are currently in that state, mindset-wise, physically, that they can start doing to get out of that darkness.
That is a great question. What immediately came to mind when you were starting the question, I knew you were where you were going. Oh, but first, the humor thing. You gotta keep a sense of humor. I chuckled when you said whole because what what came into my ADHD O C D brain at that moment was there’s no I in team, right? But there is a hole in the A. Get it, a hole. Put on bump, put on bump. Anyway, uh no, uh the demons, the devil, those negative thoughts want you to stay buried in the house alone and consumed in those negative thoughts, in the hopes you will do something stupid, like I did. And sorry if that bothers somebody that I call it that, but hey, it is, it’s dumb. Uh get out, get up, get out again. You’re not feeling it, but go out, go somewhere where there’s people. Except my sister has a shirt. People, not a fan, right? And also a bumper sticker on her car. The more people I meet, the more I love my cat.
Right?
I get it. I’m not a big fan of people either. Uh a whole lot of mass holes, as I coined. Masses of asses out there, negative Nellies, always miserable. They want you to be miserable too, but don’t let them win. You can’t let them win. Go out where there’s people, go to a holy cow creamery for an ice cream. And even though you’re not feeling it, smile at people.
There’s like some psychology behind the smile, too, because it signals to your mind that you are happy. Now, it’s it’s interesting because I’m gonna interrupt you for a second. My husband and I were taking these therapy classes, nurtured heart approach for ADHD children, uh, to empower them instead of talking about their negative weaknesses. You know how sometimes as parents we we tend to point out what needs to be improved instead of what’s going right? And the nurtured heart approach, it’s the opposite for ADHD children. And so one of the exercises she had us do was really interesting. Our therapist Anna here in Austin, she said, okay, close your eyes. And she said the word no like five times. And then she started to say the word yes. And then she asked us, What did you feel in your body when I was saying no? And what did you feel in your body when I started to say yes? And yes, I started to get a tingly feeling, and I started to smile. And she saw me on camera because everything’s on camera, it’s a via Zoom call, right? And the same thing with a smile. You smile, does it it actually, yes, it actually your mind doesn’t know the difference? And the power of your imagination is very critical here for those listening. I’m a certified life coach with the John Maxwell team, so I know how to use the mind and the mindset to kind of guide through you know some of these emotions. And the imagination is key here. When you imagine smiling, when you imagine going out, when you imagine your mind doesn’t know the difference on what’s real, what’s imagined. So if you do have those feelings that are bringing you down, you can start imagining yourself being happy. One of the ways that could perhaps help this transition out is creating a vision. Just sit with like a bunch of images, you know, where it pops out of your head, that’s what you like cut out of a magazine and you post it up, and that is your GPS moving forward because your mind needs direction. If you allow the thoughts to take over, then one key thing to do with a thought is to stop it and reframe it. Now, how can we do that? Okay, let me let’s break it up into pieces for those listening. So a thought comes in, let’s say I’m a loser, right? I, as your coach, is gonna say, Joseph, okay, in your present moment, tell me where is the evidence that you are a loser. Share with me that and then I’m gonna have you think about it. Because here’s what happens with a lie the lie comes from your past, from the way you’ve been programming your mind. You are the programmer, your mind is the computer. What you program spits out. Okay, so if you’re constantly telling yourself you’re a loser, you’re right. Your mind is gonna give you the evidence of that. Now, when I sit you down as a coach, I’m like, okay, right now in your life, Joseph, tell me how you’re a loser. And sometimes you can’t even think of one reason. You just know that you feel it. Now, what happens there is that somewhere in your childhood, buried deep within you, is a belief that is driving these thoughts. And we just have to identify it. And all you have to do is shift it. And once we reframe it, now I actually coach people at my church. So another step that my boss taught me, uh Brian Brunson, was okay, now use scripture to share the truth of their situation now. Use scripture to tell you the truth about who you are right now in your circumstances, and when you start lining things up, it’s um like for example, Philippians, I think it’s 4-6, it talks about think of what is true, what is noble, what is good, and then you start thinking of those things, and then all of a sudden what you once thought of yourself is gone. Because if you truly believe in the word of God and you believe that you’ve been redeemed, and you believe that you are loved and beloved, then that identity falls away. Yeah, it has no bearing anymore. Yeah, it’s that constant conflict, I think, is what keeps people stuck. What do you think?
Yeah, I made a couple notes there. Uh first, again, in the punning territory, even late, even a cringe is like that for smile. It still releases endorphins. You get it, you understand it’s a joke, and it’s meant to elicit you know good-naturedness for lack of better phraseology. But you said you’re certified. So immediately my brain went to, oh, you’re certified, all right. You’re certifiably crazy. Right? It’s a joke, people. Relax, it’s a joke, right? I’m doing it. I’m doing smiling. I’m doing it. Right, yeah. That fun interactive play helps again the positivity and the the loser thing. No such thing as perfect. You’re not gonna win every time in every situation. There will be some moments where I didn’t measure up. You lost in that situation. That doesn’t mean your whole life makes you a loser. There’s no such thing as perfect. So perspective. I’ve done a constitutionalist show on that. Perspective, keeping a solid reality-based perspective, and another show of listener feedback on being able to self-reflect honestly, about go literally. I was on the show uh show the other day. Remember the movie Network? I want you to go to the window and open it and scream. I’m mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take it anymore. Well, you know, nobody’s good actually to do that. It feels good to release all that, yeah. But my point is, we me and the conscious man seven I came up with, I want a Joseph M. Leonard Conscious Man 7 mirror moment. I want you to not figuratively, but literally get up, go to your bathroom, look at yourself in the mirror, point your finger, remember? And three of your own fingers are pointing right back at you when you’re trying to blame somebody else. What have you done? What are you doing? How can you be better? Michael Jackson, man in the mirror, Rick Springthrew, prayer song. I send a prayer to heaven for the chance to be a better man than a man I see, man or woman. What are you going to do to make you better so that you are better for everybody else? What are you going to do? Go out and force a smile to make life better for others. It starts with you, it starts with me, it starts with us. And again, back to that smile. Forcing a smile may elicit then a smile back, and that makes you feel good. It does.
It does. And I couldn’t agree more with you, Joseph. Do you think that this is a seasonal thing for you? Do you think this is your divine purpose?
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Oh, I now I think it’s my divine purpose. Yeah, absolutely. How do you think what what else can I do, even right? I’m here at home. I I like to joke on the ugly couch. I’m lifting up my green screen for those listening on audio. I’m not a hoarder, but I am a slob. Look at all that garbage hidden by the green screen on the couch there. What can I do from my couch being on disability? Well, I can do a podcast, so I’m doing that. I can publish books, so I’m doing that. I right, it’s not my life point and purpose before I lost that identity, but this is my and I like to say terror strikes became a number one Amazon bestseller in several character categories. That’s me. Your story is different. You don’t have to be an author, but if you want to be, I also have how to write a book again to publish. Huh? Huh? Right? If you ain’t trying, he ain’t trying to promote, he ain’t gonna make sales, as the saying goes. But everyone has a story in them. If you want to write a book about it, you can. I can help you do that. But don’t expect to be a number one bestseller. If it happens for you, great. But again, those people’s lives, it’s only the little things that are gonna matter.
Here’s the thing: it doesn’t matter if you’re a bestseller or not. It really doesn’t. That’s my what matters, what matters, the value of your life is the essence of who you are. You’re a light. How do you contribute to humanity? What are you doing?
All of those little things you’re not gonna even notice.
You’re not, and you know what? When you get to heaven, when you have your review of life, because that’s something that’s been already confirmed by life, yeah, the book of life, you are gonna see how those random acts of kindness impacted someone. You’re gonna meet those people in heaven who you impacted that you didn’t even know you impacted. I love that book by Mitch Album for those the five people you meet in heaven. It was my absolute favorite book that he wrote. I do like him very much. Yes.
I’m not a fan of Mitch personally. I’m in the Detroit area, so I know actually know him. I’m not a fan of him personally, but yeah, those two books, oh, absolutely. They were amazing.
The other one that I loved, and it wasn’t Mitch. I’m trying to remember, it was that Professor The Last Lecture. Have you read that book?
No, I don’t know that one.
If you Google the last lecture, he also gave the last talk at the university. He was a professor there, I can’t remember which university, um, but he had such a beautiful outlook on life, even though he had terminal cancer. People couldn’t understand his joy. Joy, I I have a mastermind that’s joy in the journey, because I think most people think there’s a joy journey to joy. There’s no journey to joy in life.
There’s joy. And it’s not about this life. This is about what happens next. Yes. This is indeed a matrix.
This is very temporary. This is very temporary. So the random acts of kindness, the joy, the small gifts of joy, they come and they’re ever so brief every day, but you miss it because of the noise from the outside world that’s telling you, do this, do that. If you’re not successful, if you’re not skinny, if you’re not that you’re not this, you’re not. It’s ridiculous. It’s noise. Get out of there. Go back inward. I say go back inward. Have a time where you reflect every single day and give thanks for what you have. When you are when you are grateful, even in trial and tribulation. I mean, I felt peace as my father was dying, Joseph. How? Because I surrendered everything to the Lord. I just said, take this. I can’t, I can’t do this alone. I think you think we can do this alone with camps.
And you knew that wasn’t really the that was the end of the line for his physical worldly body, but not his soul. And I want to finish my matrix metaphor, although I like to joke. I’m too clever for metaphors. I use meta sixes, but I’m bummed. Right. And in fact, I I wrote a Suno song about that, and I tell that joke in a couple of my books. But the it it is indeed not a computer simulation, but indeed, this life is a trial and tribulation, a test for the ultimate next, the afterlife, the everlasting eternal souls, is what ultimately really matters, not the what happens here.
No. You can’t take it with you. You cannot. The only thing you can take with you is loving your life. That’s it. That’s what you get to see up there. And there’s a great book that I read. It was um John Burke, he’s a New York Times best-selling author, and he’s the founding pastor of the church I belong to here in Austin, Texas, from Gateway North and Austin. And he wrote a book called Imagine the God of Heaven, and it’s based on NDE confirmed uh near-death experiences.
I’ve had a few of them on my show, yeah.
And they’re really powerful because they do tell you their testimony. All these people that they followed for the last 25 years, all walks of life, all religions, didn’t matter what they were, they were even atheists that got into that study because they came back with a powerful testimony and very similar testimonies, too. And one of them is what we’ve been talking about the review of life. The review of life comes almost right at the beginning and right before they come back to tell their testimony, and they all share the same thing: how he is light. You can’t even see his face, but you know it’s him, and he shows their his wrists and his feet to to prove who he is, and that people there’s a committee of people that meet you in heaven, and it’s people that have gone before you, the people in your life, the people you love the most in your life are in that committee that welcome you into heaven, and that the love you feel, and I have felt that love, Joseph. He did make himself known in the ICU for me in 2012 on Easter weekend, so it’s coming up on on um 13, 14 years ago, in 2012, and it was a powerful moment for me. That love is not a like a love here on earth, there is like nothing else like it. You feel seen, you feel understood, you feel you feel loved, like so beloved, and it’s such a gift to have that in your life. And and we I think both of us are saying the same thing, Josephine, that the value of our life, it’s more than what the world tells you it is.
It’s weird. I’ve already been reborn a few times. I I you know, did I die and was I allowed back on the suicide attempt? I didn’t have any NDE, and for those who don’t know, near death experience then. Years ago, when I was uh growing up, there was an auto accident. I know from testimony uh of the EMTs, I was dead. I was brought back. So I’ve been gone twice the way I see it, but unfortunately, I I wish I didn’t have an NDE then either. Or if I did, it wasn’t consciously rememberable when I got back, unfortunately. I wish I would have such an experience to share. And I did have one person on my show, her name is escaping me, I think it was Shirley, who had a very negative experience. There are some negative NDEC where you literally you visit hell.
Wow, well, one of the atheists had a demon that followed them to heaven, and the angels were blocking until they moved, and then he was able to see into the demon’s eyes. He says he had never seen so much hatred in his life, and it terrified him.
He was the atheist, and so scared straight. Yeah, scares you. God, you said atheist because we’re talking books too. I wrote down Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ, a devout atheist who married a Catholic, and he got set up one day and decided, well, I’m gonna sh, you know, I’m gonna present reality to my Catholic wife about the reality there isn’t. He would set out to disprove Christ and along the way prove to himself science shows Christ’s reality. Yeah. Great book there.
Yeah, it’s an it’s an amazing book. And I think we’ve shared a lot for the for the guests. Um any last words of encouragement if I wanted to buy your book. Do you have a website? How do I find you?
Yeah, finding me. Uh Link Tree, if you’ve ever L-I-N-K-T-R dot E-E slash J Leonard Detroit. And Leonard, it looks French. It’s not Leonard, it’s Leonard without a no. It’s actually Polish, Leonard Owaskowitzki or whatever. I haven’t dug far enough back in the family tree to find the original Polish name. So Leonard without a no, Link Tree, J. Leonard Detroit, uh, J. Leonard. Joseph M. Leonard. Almost forgot my old webplay. JosephM Leonard.us or my terror strikes book has a terror strikes.info. And in fact, you can check out a tribute to my dad there, terror strikes.info slash the polka kings.
Wonderful. I’m so grateful that you came on the show, Joseph. I think we’ve had such a fantastic show already for the guests. And for those listening, you know how I usually sign off on release.reve purpose to be the light, like Matthew 5.14 states, be the light, like Joseph was light. Turn your pain into purpose, turn that darkness into light. You have the capacity within you. The Lord has given you that strength. When you don’t have strength, don’t rely on your own strength, don’t rely on your own understanding. Turn inward, reflect, ask him for guidance, and he’ll lead you into your light. And for the rest of y’all, have a wonderful and blessed rest of your week. Love y’all.
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