Burnout doesn’t always show up as exhaustion first. Sometimes it shows up as saying yes to everything, losing your edge, getting controlling, and quietly realizing you don’t even know what you like anymore. That’s why I invited Miriam Groom to share her story from family-business overwork and depression to building a career counseling company designed for people who feel stuck, scattered, or overdue for a change.
Miriam breaks down the hidden drivers behind career confusion: people-pleasing, fear of disappointing others, and the belief that life must be hard to be meaningful. We talk about why burnout cycles can repeat even after you “learn the lesson,” and how lasting change takes more than a new job. It takes rebuilding identity, reshaping patterns, and using tools that work when you have very little energy. You’ll hear specific practices she used, including tracking micro-moments of joy, checking what you choose when nobody’s watching, reconnecting to your body and intuition, and using journaling and morning pages to clear the mental noise.
We also get practical about what real support can look like. Miriam shares how Mindful Career uses a psychologist-led process that blends assessments, behavioral profiling, and coaching-style action steps to help professionals and high school students find strengths, values, and a realistic path forward, especially after major life shifts like COVID, divorce, loss, or a new neurodivergent diagnosis. If you’re searching for purpose, career clarity, and a healthier way to work, you’ll leave with language and next steps you can actually use.
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Transcript:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry, and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Hey Lightbringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Released Out Reveal Purpose. And today is Miriam Groom. She is going to be discussing career counseling. We all know that in our story of transformation, most of us, if not all of us, at one point or another hit rock bottom. There comes a pivotal moment where we have a choice on whether to stay exactly where our circumstances have landed us in, or we choose to shift. And it sounds like Miriam chose to shift. She experienced burnout, depression, and having to start all over again. And I’m just so honored that she would agree to be on the podcast today. I know she has been featured nationally and internationally. I believe Miriam is in Canada, or maybe not. You’re in Canada, aren’t you? And I am just honored because she guides psychologists, you know, across Canada on these topics. So without further ado, Miriam, thank you so much for joining us on Released Out Reveal Purpose.
Thank you for having me.
It’s a pleasure. It’s really an honor to have you on. And I know you have a great deal of wisdom to share with our audience. So could you humble me with your amazing story of transformation?
Yeah, of course. So it all started, I’d say, um, when I started school, and you if we do go kind of back all the way at the beginning, I’ll explain how some of upbringing and how we were raised and um kind of situations in our past lead us to ways of thinking and decision making that bring us to the place that we are right now. So um I ended up in uh graduating uh school and working right away for my family’s business. And um what ended up happening is that I took on so much there because I felt like I was helping the family, and naturally we know what our patterns are of you know, helping, but also not having a threshold on when helping is actually deterring from your own mental health. So I just kept on taking on roles because I didn’t want to add, you know, that uh that expense on the company. And so I kept on saying yes to everything, and that was a habit that had gone to gotten into when it since I was very young, just kept on saying yes and not wanting to have any um altercations or issues with people. So I said, you know what, I could take it on. I’m just gonna say yes. And what ended up happening um kind of in a small bubble was that uh I took on way too much. And so I felt like I was spread so thin that I wasn’t doing anything right. Um and as I was, as I was taking on more, um, I was more stressed. I felt like I didn’t find any joy in my job anymore. I had no idea why. So I ended up taking a sick leave and saying, you know what, I really need a break. The some of the signs that I was seeing was that um I was getting very impatient. Different people have different signs from what I’ve realized after, you know, getting a degree in psychology and organizational psychology, is the signs are different from everybody. Some people break down, some people shut down, some people go internal, some people cry, some people get very emotional, some people get aggressive. I got very micromanage-y and I tried to overly control the outcomes, which was just making everybody around me extremely annoyed. And so, which led to a little bit of conflict around me and dissatisfaction, which set me even deeper into my sadness and depression and anxiety. And so um, I took some a step back and I said to myself, you know, what’s going on? And I ended up realizing that 90% of my day was doing things that I didn’t enjoy and I wasn’t skilled at. And I said, How’d I get here? And I ended up realizing, well, it was because you just kept on saying yes to absolutely everything that came along because you wanted to avoid, you know, disappointing people. I said, Where does that come from? And, you know, when we do that deep work, we end up realizing, you know, when kids are um get to go through divorce or anything, you know, issues as parent, you end up wanting to keep the peace. And so your brain chemistry ends up connecting these fields that every single time, you know, you’re uncomfortable, just say yes, and that solves the issue. And so my brain was just used to connecting things that way and making decisions that way, and I never kind of got out of that loop. And so um I had to kind of reassess and say, who am I? What do I want? What are my skill sets? And kind of really did this deep kind of work, got a psychology degree, got my psychometrics degree, which is like assessments, figuring out who am I, and it was deep. But then what happened?
I said, you know what, I’m gonna try to switch careers. If I don’t switch out of my family business, I’m gonna work here for the rest of my life. Let me try to see if I could find another experience. So I had two choices: either start my career counseling business or find another job. And that’s when I really want to proof this that burnout and cycles aren’t linear. I ended up doubling down and going and working for a BitFortune 500 company and saying, you know, I’m going to end up going down and doing going down the same path that I was kind of in, but now I know myself. I’m not going to do this again. I’m not going to do the same patterns. Career counseling, helping people with the same issues I had, really activating and and and helping people figure out who they are and their strengths and their purpose and all that is something I want to do, but that’s scary because I have a mortgage and I have payments. Like I’m I want something secure. And so I ended up going down the path of working for a large business, growing in that business, and hitting burnout again. And so um, with this newfound understanding of myself, I didn’t hit it as hard because I I knew what was happening. I had a year of Matt Leave also in Canada, we get a year. So I also got that time to kind of set sit back and say, after Matt Leave, I’m I can’t do this. And what’s I funny is that as they were promoting me and the kind of what I thought I wanted, the minute I almost got there, I uh I sat back and I said, No, it’s time for me to start my business. And now that company is a client of mine, so it worked, it ended up working out. But um, everybody says, Oh, I made a mistake and I got back up and I made the same mistake again. I’m like, Yeah, so did I. We do this. It’s you were just weren’t ready to take that step and to take that risk and to take make that move. Um, and so what I’ve ended up realizing in all the discussions through this long process that it, you know, the 10 years that it was back and forth is that not only should we do the figure out who we are and what our strengths are and what our and those are all the same thing, like our passions, our strengths, what we were brought here to do. You could think about it religiously or spiritually, but everybody has a superpower, everybody has a gift that they’re meant to give away. Um, that’s the biggest gift that we could have, right? Tony Robbins talks about it, everybody talks about it, but once you’ve figured it out, it’s really deep. Is that figure out your gifts and then find how you could give them away and help people? Um, but it’s not only that, it’s also changing the patterns and your neurotransmitters in your head, and there’s a lot of work that you have to do, even when you figure all that stuff out, like I did. I was still in those same habits of people pleasing, of saying yes, of not wanting to disappoint people, of just smiling through and doing all that. And so um it took a couple more years for me to get out of those patterns, and I’m still working through that right now. Um, it never always goes away completely, but um it also those things also make you really great person and make you really empathetic. And so there’s two sides of the coin there. But that’s a little bit of my story, and now I essentially help people in the same position that I was in, um, where we um help you from a neurological standpoint and mindset standpoint to kind of get out of those patterns, but also figure out what you were brought here to do. Um, was it whether that be communication, whether it be analyzing things, whether it be creating art, whatever that may be, and helping you peel away those layers to figuring out who you are. Because I remember in burnout, I had no idea what my favorite color was. I didn’t know what I like to eat because you were just people pleasing all day and you have no connection to the real you. And so yeah, it was a long journey, but I’m happy to be able to help other people through it.
I can relate, as I’m sure a lot of listeners on the other side of this episode are gonna be able to relate because we do feel like, why am I here again? Why am I making the same mistakes? And like you said, there’s these patterns that are playing in the background at the subconscious level. I’m a certified life coach, so I understand subconscious versus conscious mind and how everything’s automatic. You’re not even intentionally doing this. It’s not like you’re crazy or dumb or stupid or whatever, you know, whatever term goes through your mind as you find yourself in the same chapters. Is that number one, and you mentioned it clearly, you don’t know who you are. What identity are you carrying? And we know that identity is rooted in the belief systems, who you believe yourself to be. If you believe yourself to be a loser, you’re gonna start behaving like one. And the patterns are going to follow it, and the habits are gonna follow it. And until you identify and uproot and shift those belief systems, you’re gonna be doing the cyclical crazy thing over and over and over again. So I’m in agreement with you. I’ve done, just like you mentioned, a lot of work as well to identify that neural pathway that is informing. It’s just it’s informing all these connections in your mind, right? And and we need to kind of understand and heal because we all go through uh emotional events in our life that feed these belief systems, and the belief systems feed the thought, and the thought feeds the feelings, and the feelings are attached to these patterns and these habits and these ways of being, right? And that’s why we find ourselves in these crazy circumstances. So I commend you for doing number one, the work, number two is not beating yourself up, you know. Give yours the way you kind of I know, I know you laugh at it because I did. I beat myself up horribly, so I understand, yeah. But I think moving forward is also reminding people is change is big, yeah, change is a big, hairy monster, yeah. And give yourself some grace as you journey through this change. Yeah, you are at least and and celebrate the little micro steps forward, yeah. Because we know that as we move through this, there will be days that we feel like we’ve fallen off the wagon and taken like three steps backwards, but but know that there is hope, yeah, you know. Um so I know that career counseling is where you landed, and I’m in agreement with you. I think our purpose gets revealed with every pivotal moment that we encounter. It’s like our path gets revealed slowly to us. Can you share with us how you started to peel back to reveal that purpose of guiding people into their career?
Yeah. I wanted to circle back also to what you said about um the patterns. So when I looked back at the first thing that I studied in university was psychology, and then I said, Why did I and I was getting kind of 90s and it was going well, and then I switched to finance. And I said, What was I thinking back then? Why did I do that? And it was the thought that I wasn’t good enough. So anything that I was good at wasn’t good and it was fluff and it was just don’t don’t go there. That’s too easy. But it’s not easy to everybody, but I thought that it so I switched to fine. So again, it’s those same patterns of in life needs to be hard, life needs to be a challenge. Uh, if it’s too easy, you’re not, you’re doing something wrong. And so it’s those preconceived notions, and so I kept on, those are the same patterns that I brought in. Work was fine, but I kept on piling on, and because that felt good that in in some way I felt comfortable in that state because I was like, okay, that means I’m doing something if I feel like I’m walking through quicksand and all that. And then it’s so funny that 20 years later I come back and I’m back in school in psychology. And then it was always there, but I just needed now, I’m back in it. I would never regret the path it took me. It’s not like, oh, I shouldn’t have done all that. I should have just gone linearly along this path. But it’s just so funny that it is always there and it reveals yourself. And maybe through all these trials and tribulations, it brought me to here to actually see psychology in a different way. But how did I peel back the layers in order to figure out my purpose? When I um
was on my burnout, the first thing that I did, because I really didn’t know, have a sense of who I was, I did a couple of things. Um, I had an app open on my phone where I put all the things that brought me joy. But bringing you joy is so convoluted when you’re in burnout and when you’re depressed and when you have no sense of yourself because you don’t know whether that’s real joy or that’s fabricated joy. And so, like, do I really like I don’t know, some like contrived thing that I liked? Just to show, like, just to it was a mask. And and then I was like, what are the things that you don’t want to tell anybody that you’re interested in? So I love the supernatural and stuff like that, but oh, I wouldn’t tell anybody that they’re like, well, that’s maybe something, and then does that or are you gonna watch that like an on your own? Are you gonna really like, or are you really gonna watch the news? And some people are genuinely interested in news and politics and history and all that. Are you gonna do that on your own time when nobody’s watching? And does it also spark up this like butterfly joy? And I had to identify that feeling and understand what it is and start listening to my body because a lot of people have a disconnection with their body. They oftentimes they go through people who go through this and have not no idea who they are, they deal with bulimia, they deal with anorexic, they they have a they overwork out, they they disconnect from their body because their bodies are just machines and they have a and then they lose um their sense to their gut and listening to their intuition. So you need to create that connection again. And so the create the creation that I got was joy and spark and excitement. So I’m like, what do you get excited to do? And I had no excitement anymore because I was like in kind of like an anesthetic state um during my burnout, so nothing is really bringing me joy. So I was like, what can you do right now? What would bring you joy? I love going for walks. So I’m like, okay, walking. What else? What shows? And so I wrote down Becoming Miriam. It was a title, and then it said, What excites me or the excitement thing? And then I started just writing them and then crossing some off that were not really me. And then I started questioning. And the way to figure this out, the one of the good parts of social media, there’s a lot of negative, but it it’s the things that I saved on um my the YouTube videos I watched, the posts that I liked on Instagram, because usually when you’re doing these things, nobody’s watching you, so you’re doing it um not subconsciously, you’re not in your, but you’re doing it with, you know, you’re it’s almost like you’re doing automatic writing, you know, you’re not you’re not doing it purposefully. And so it’s a little bit more genuine. So I was like, well, what are the things I’m actually interested in? So I went in, I’m like, oh, I’m genuinely interested in things like psychology, reading people, behavioral profilers, like um the supernatural, like all of this weird, these like very unique things that I thought that I was just a run-of-the-mill person with no real interests, no real pastimes. But I was like, I do have like kind of these unique interests and things. And I started going through my safe posts on Instagram, the YouTube videos that I would watch, not with people, not the ones they send me, but really the ones that I saved and I kept on watching and that I just like could watch for hours. Um, and that was one of the things that are really easy to do because when you’re in burnout, you can’t add 15 things to your list because hey, take all these vitamins, do this five-step face routine, like none of that for people on burnout. Like, no, choose one thing that you’re doing that could be kind of fun and that would be easy for you to do. So that was like that was easy for me. And another thing was journaling because I really it really helped me to get all the stress. And when you’re in burnout, there’s a lot of anger, there’s a lot of stress, there’s a lot of feelings, you feel resentment, you there’s all these things are bubbling up. So what if I once I was able to sleep so much better when I got them out on paper, and uh there’s this morning pages, uh, it’s um by Julia Cameron, something like that. She, and it’s automatic writing in the morning when you’re still kind of in your subconscious, and then um that really helped too to clarify. And I ended up getting memories of when I was a young, young child of like how I was and my likes, my dislikes, my personality, because that’s before you got all that into doctrination and stuff. Like you’re unless you went through a lot of trauma when you’re a baby, you’re usually your one of your most authentic selves, right? Like you’re dancing, there’s no inhibitions, and what kind of kid were you? Were you the one reading? Were you the one fixing things? Were you the one putting shows and dancing in front of everybody? Like, who were you authentically? And I started getting all these past memories of who I was. And um, I’m like, I’m not far gone. I’m not far from that person. It’s just I’m like that very privately, but like, and then I started connecting. And then the more work you do it with those little activities, the more you start taking these tiny little steps um and start discovering yourself again. And it’s not becoming something, it’s going like doing less, it’s peeling away, like do less, not more. More the more you try to go on TikTok and try to do all these things and work out more and wake up a five. And that’s what burnout people tend to want to do because they’re like, that’s gonna fix me. That actually hurts you. You need to do less and figure out who you are. Like, do you like to ask yourself if because you’re forcing yourself more, right? You’re putting more mass, you’re doing all the things that you don’t like to do. So do less, get back to yourself, and life isn’t supposed to be that hard. Life isn’t supposed to be painful. And we have this, a lot of people go through this, have this ingrained deep idea of themselves that they’re not lovable, deep, deep, deep down. But like it’s like I’m comfortable here, I’m doing something right if life is hard. And that is something I still work on. If a day is too easy or a day is I’m not, I’m not working, I feel like I’m like I have energy. I’m like, uh-oh, I didn’t do enough. And I’m like, nope, nope, that’s an old, that’s a that’s a broken, that that’s something that that is like an old thought form. That’s not right, that’s not what life is all about, and that’s it’s not about burning yourself out every day, and therefore you’ve brought value to the world. Like you don’t have to whip yourself in order to be a valuable member of society, and so that’s that change of thinking. Um, and that’s how I did it bit bit by bit, and that’s what I did right at the beginning, and then it just became more and more, and then I started doing psychometric assessments and started really digging in. Um, but you can’t even take an assessment if you’re that far, if you’re really that you’re answering it like a your persona. So you really have to do that beginning work to really start listening to your intuition and start talking to people, ask your parents if you have them still around or ants or whatever, how you were as a child, like start connecting to, and I often say to my clients, have like a kid picture of you around, do the morning pages, do the journaling, and start talking to that person. You’ll see memories and likes and dislikes and um, you know, values. Like I was a loudmouth. I was like, if you smoked a cigarette, I was like screaming. I wasn’t, I wouldn’t be like that now because I’d be like, oh no, I don’t want somebody to not like me and I don’t want to insult them. But like, you know, you end up realizing, be like, I was like that. Be like, yeah, I used to give everybody speech. Like you were, you were very like all about rules and doing good and being a good person, not wanting in, and I was like, oh my god. And so it just brought up a lot of things. That is uh that was my thought authentic self before you know all the maths team on. So I hope that helps people who are listening.
I think it will because it’s baby steps. I think most people because of the world we live in expect these immediate gratification, immediate, like if you’re not being efficient, if you’re not being productive, you’re not worthy. And it’s something that we hear subconsciously throughout everything we watch. And that’s why it’s important for us to remember that who you surround yourself with, the information that’s around you, your mind’s always listening. It’s the tricky part of the subconscious mind. And I agree with you on taking it one baby step at a time. And just
you could sense that your soul guides you in in that when you are in burnout, less is actually better. Less is more present than anything else. Because presence is what’s going to silence all that noise. Presence is going to allow you to step back. Because I like you, I was a super high achiever. And I if I wasn’t productive, I wasn’t worthy. If I wasn’t producing a paycheck, I wasn’t worthy. There were so many things rolling around in my mindset as a woman that in November of this past year, the Lord, because I’m very faith-based, sat me down and said, Enough. You are achieving my love and the love of your husband, the way you’ve achieved your successes in life. And that’s not what I’m asking you to do. You don’t need to do that with me. In fact, I need you to pause for presents.
Yeah.
Because you are headed for another burnout.
Yeah.
And it’s not going to be pretty this next time. You know? And I listened because I like you at the beginning of the interview, how you said you were driving everybody crazy with micromanaging everything. I was the same way, girl. Oh my goodness, could I relate to everything you were discussing? And what I love is like you, I was pointed to Julia Cameron in the beginning of this journey by a very good friend of mine who was had done the morning pages. And I did that before I even wrote my very first book. That’s how I wrote my first book, is through all the revelations of the morning pages. It’s really interesting. Um, the not just the relatability, but the alignment piece between your journey and mine. I think we all follow some paths that are similar, and that’s why we can relate to each other. And that’s why we’re all the body of Christ, right? We we are all people that are born with a very unique set of gifts that we’re meant to give away as our divine purpose. And I have found that even in my journey, some of the answers lie, like you said, in our childhood. Like I rem I started to remember what teachers said about me, but a writer. And and God had planted that seed in my mind long ago, and I had rejected him because I didn’t feel like I had anything to reveal to the world. Who was I to guide others in the subconscious mind? Like I was talking, I was debating with God for like 13 years on that.
Just it’s hilarious.
Um, so thank you for sharing with us the baby micro steps you took to in that burnout state. And as you moved in your journey, it sounds like the more faith you had in stepping into that space that was the unknown, the more your path revealed itself to you. Oh
my god. That’s the biggest shock that I think I had.
Um everything was hard before, like, not hard, but everything I felt like was a challenge. Like I had to fight for it. Like the minute that I got in on my path, all the doors opened. I ran this business for about four years, like it wasn’t long. I ran this business for about eight years, but half of it was still on Mat Leave with at that other company. The minute I put that aside, every door started opening. And you it’s some people like if I would have heard this myself during Britain, I’d be like, yeah, won’t happen to me. It was, I thought that. I really thought that. And I said, don’t take, and I just took the risk, but everything became easy. And then it became even clearer the things that weren’t meant for me. So the minute now that I try something, I you have to do it. You have to try, like, do it. And then the door closes, and then I’m like, okay, how does this feel? And now I’m more connected to my intuition, but I’m like, and then you try it again, and then the door closes again, but so immediately it’s like, oh no, that’s a sign, but that’s not my time, that’s not what I’m meant to do. And then I move, and so you’re able to start pivoting because you see what’s easy now, and I’m like, no, no, no, just go this way. This is easy, and this is what I’m meant to do. And so you start being guided by not only your intuition, but you start listening and and and and and and seeing the signs around you, but everything became so easy, like uh the effort I would have put in before 10% to get. And what’s funny is that I thought I was behind. Now, in in about three, four years, when I really focused on this company and I put everything aside, um, you end up, you think, because it’s all about, oh, I’m behind. I’m now a million times farther than if I would have started back in the university. Do you know what I mean? Like we have 50 counselors. In no idea would I have ever had this. We have 10 salespeople. Like it just happened almost like automatic. It was somebody who was helping me. You know what I mean? It wasn’t only me. It was like a crew of people behind me. And it it was God and everybody like helping me do this. And it’s just beautiful. And that’s the thing that you’ve pointed at that I’m like the most shocking to even to this day makes me almost want to cry. That I’m like, oh my God. It it and and you might be behind, you might be too satisfying, but that he will catapult you to like a million miles farther than you even thought was even possible. And so that’s really the message I want to get out there is that take the risk and follow your intuition once you’re connected back to it. Um, because you don’t even know it’s possible.
And we I agree as you’re speaking, I feel the presence of the Holy Spirit, and he is with us in this interview. And
what you just stated was he’ll catapult you. Yes, he will catapult you, especially when you stayed obedient to that voice. Because, see, his voice is the voice you hear when the noise dies down, when you stop performing, when you ask reveal to me, I got it. What is it that’s holding me back? The reason why we invite God into the mix is because he sees everything. And by everything, let me clarify that for everyone listening. He sees not just Miriam, but the person. He sees Miriam’s parents, her grandparents, the choices, everything that could possibly shape her and shape her thoughts and her mind and all those experiences. He saw everything. And why we invite him into the mix is because he knows how he knitted you in your mother’s womb with whatever skills that he gave you. And you’re uniquely gifted in that the way you convey the message is the way that other people in the same body of Christ need to hear it so that their minds can move in the direction that God needs them to move, so that they can step purposely into the career that they are meant to step into. And that’s why Miriam is doing what she’s doing in that space. Why did she go to finance instead of psychology? Why didn’t she release her doubt in the early years? It’s something that only God understands because God uses everything, every single choice you made, the detours that you thought were detours to your joy, he will use to redeem you because he loves you that much. He doesn’t want you to feel unworthy because you made mistakes. He wants you to feel like you’re fully equipped for the next step. And so he will transform those painful chapters into redemption. That’s why I always tell myself now I am redeemed. Like when they ask me, who are you? I used to rattle, I don’t know about you, Mary, but like a whole set of achievements. And you know what I say now? I am first and foremost the daughter of a king. And I will stand in that authority first. I don’t need to achieve to be worthy. I’m already worthy because I’m his. What we mean by easier is this, what which is a really hard concept to put into words, by the way. But what it means is that everything just flows. Yeah. And what the finance chapter probably, and I’m just saying, and and Miriam can step in here in a second to clarify, is the contrast that she needed that God knew because he knows Miriam intimately and knows her thoughts and the way she’s gonna react, and the way, you know, the way she’s formed, he knows her very, very well. And it provided contrast to the life that now she lives. And she’s like, I am going to release doubt quickly now because I know what that detour did for me and to me. And I refuse to do that to myself then because at this stage I love myself the way that God loves me, and my identity is rooted in him and not in the expectations of others, and not in all this outside noise. I know who I am now in him, and I am redeemed and I am loved and I am blessed, and I am worthy in him.
It takes to say that you’ve got to repeat it every day, multiple times a day, because whether it’s other outside forces or it’s your own mind chemically just going back to old patterns, you’ve got to you’ve got to stay the core, you’ve got to pray, you’ve got to have you’ve gotta affirm this every day, especially at the beginning, because it’s addictive to be in that space. That old it’s weird because you’re comfortable there, you’re not happy there, but what it’s you know, there’s there’s something whole there’s a dark form, like it’s holding you there, and it’s it becomes addictive because you that’s what I said. I’m like, I want I felt comfortable in that. I didn’t want to be there, but I felt comfortable in the struggle because that’s what I thought that I I was worthy of. If once you get yourself out of there, you constantly need to continue reaffirming whether it be in the morning, in the afternoon, and at night, and still I need to continuously do this because running a business, you’re constantly um also introduced to some darker people.
And for and so you gotta people, and also online when you’re wa watching uh if you, you know, I don’t even go on social media anymore, even though I have a presence on it. I film my videos, but I try not to go on it because you inintentionally get spoke and you could be derailed by somebody just planting a seed, and so just be careful the music you listen to and all of that.
It that’s another aspect of it that I’ve learned later on that could you take you away from staying the course because there’s a lot of forces that are trying to stop you from achieving your I will say it very clearly for those listening, because I know that people hesitate. I’m not gonna hesitate anymore. I’ll tell you why, Miriam, in a minute. I’ve seen too much with the Lord. I’ve seen his goodness and I’ve seen how he is extremely faithful with his children, especially his children that have struggled. I know I struggled to listen to him and listen to his voice because there are the fight that we’re having, the conflicts that we’re having internally, are not of this world. They’re and it’s it talks about it in his book, in in scripture. There is a chapter called Ephesians. The apostle Paul wrote it. He was a Pharisee for those listening, and he was totally against God and Jesus’ mission. And then he had a profound uh encounter with Christ himself, and and he shifted the way he was hurting the people of the church that were trying to establish the new church after Christ’s death and in those 40 days, right? The before he ascended into heaven. And so to give some historical perspective on this, so when he’s writing Ephesians, um, he is discussing the spiritual forces because, like there’s good, there’s evil in the world. The fear that Miriam is talking about is I used to think of it only in psycho uh psychology terms. That’s God knew my mind, and he knew that I needed a blueprint, a framework to operate from, and then he could introduce the spiritual aspect of it later because I think initially it overwhelms us. So we need something that we can understand and follow. And so he said, Okay, you’re gonna become a certified life coach so you understand how the mind works, but now I’m gonna introduce the spiritual aspect of things, and that’s where prayer and getting into the word of God can really help people navigating these chapters. So he does talk about, you know, Satan keeps you, wants to keep you in the dark, he wants to keep you feeling unworthy, he wants to separate you from God and the relationship, intimate relationship with him. And he wants to separate you from stepping into your purpose because ultimately that would mean that God would win, right? Yeah, if you step into your divine purpose, you are being obedient to Christ, and that means that the relationship is intact, and so he doesn’t want that, so he will flood you with doubt, flood you with people that are going to plant bad seeds, and so Paul actually talks about this also in Galatians, where he talks about the conflict between being uh leading with uh desires of the flesh, which is where sin occurs, and talking about being a spirit-led. And so I’m someone that now uh I when I look back at my life and those detours, yeah, I look at it now like, oh, I see what I was doing, yeah, and and what Satan was doing, and now I choose not to take Satan’s bait. That there’s a very famous book by John Bavier um called Satan’s Bait, and you you don’t want to take it because that’s what causes that major detour. But then God’s like, uh-uh, you’re not gonna do that to my child. I’m gonna use that to make them feel good about themselves again, redeem them in their pain. And I’m gonna use all of that, and it’s going to look like a path, and it does become your path. And the more you step into obedience to that voice, the more he reveals. And it’s not meant to be this major struggle. I mean, the Lord knows that we struggle with what our desires are versus what our soul is guiding us to do. He understands that, that’s why he sent his son so we wouldn’t have to achieve our way into heaven. That’s why in November he sat me down to quit doing that because there’s my word already tells you you’re already there. I’ve already given you the gift, right? So the gift is he’s gifted us in this skill set, and it’s not meant to be hard. So tell us, uh, Miriam, on how you’ve used that gift that God gave you to then now guide people in corporate, like who do you work with and how do you guide them into this career counseling that you’re doing right now?
So I when I had to figure this out on my own, I went through a process um of specific assessments and the journaling and the speaking to family members, understanding my this is all part of the program that we do from the beginning. And it’s psychologist-led uh for six sessions, one-hour sessions with a psychologist. Because we have a program, the psychologists are career counselors but also behavioral profilers. Because what I realized through the process is that having somebody who can help me and read me and get because often psychologists are meant to interact with you and let you figure it out on your own. What coaches do is they give you activities and it’s more proactive and outcome-driven. And so it we it meets those two because really I didn’t want to sit in the psychologist chair for 12 weeks and dwell on the past. I really wanted to move forward, and so um that’s kind of what it blends. And through it’s essentially what I went through. If I could put what got me to where I was, I put it in a program, I put it in six sessions, and over the last five years, it’s been really optimized with all the psychologists that we’ve brought on. Everybody’s put in their minds and work to optimize this. Um, and it’s six sessions, one hour. We do it with students too. That’s eight sessions for students in high school who need some uh guidance, but it’s the same framework and and outcome, right? We help you figure out who you are, what your strengths are, what you want out of life, where do you want to live? How do you want to, how do you want to work? Do you want to work from home? Do you want to work on a farm? Like, what do you want to do? And we we we match it to your essence and to who you are. And often people have um a gift that they are, they know they’re, you know, an amazing piano. These aren’t the people that we see, the people who who know and who have a clear vision is people really struggling with who they are, what they want to do in their life. Um, often people and change. So if they were just diagnosed with neurodivergence or they were just in a divorce, or they uh, I don’t know, a family member passed away and it’s changed their whole view on life. And they’re like, I don’t want to live like this since COVID. We’ve seen a lot of people because people aren’t traveling two hours to back and forth to work anymore. They’re in remote and they’re taking time and sitting back and being like, why am I living this way? And so it’s really a program that we walk you through. Um, but it’s one-on-one. It’s not like videos that you watch, it’s sitting down with a psychologist for an hour over six weeks with like the morning pages and different things that we do, that we do more at the beginning, and then it progresses throughout. Um, and yeah, our goal is to work with professionals and also with students because the students came in from a sheer volume of the parents calling us. We did it with them. They’re like, Can you do this to my with my kids? And then I kept on telling them, I wish I had this when I was younger. So that’s even become even bigger than the professional side as our student academic pathfinding program, and that we do that with high school students who are completely overwhelmed by choice, depressed online so much, um, you know, instant gratification that they don’t want anymore. And then they have a very big detachment and sense of self with how they’re growing up. And so we help them as well. And that’s changing their lives completely because everybody wants, especially young kids, especially boys who go internal, and we’ve seen the biggest transformation from the parents, that they’re smiling, they’re out of their room, they feel like they have hope again, because everybody at their essence wants to feel like they’re special and they’ve got something to give. Nobody wants to just be opportunists that are just feeding, you know, at home, just they don’t want that. Everybody wants to feel like they have a purpose and they have a meaning here and they want to see the light at the end of the tunnel because some of them are struggling in high school. And they’re like, is this the rest of my life? Am I gonna have to go do another five years in university and just live that? Like, no, no. And so we give them that hope and we give them that uh so we do have some counselors that are a little bit more spiritual driven. We have more, we have so many now that people, because it’s also culturally oriented. Um, some people want individuals who are uh can deal with OCD and schizophrenia because their kids are dealing with that or they’re dealing with that. And so we have different counselors that deal with various different things. But uh, that’s why also we need the psychologist standpoint because a lot of them are dealing with intersections of OCD, ADD, depression, and you would want to make sure that somebody has the the knowledge and the capability to to to to take that on because we take it very seriously that we’re you’re on a path and there’s like a fork in the road and we take it very seriously that we’re chang we’re we’re we’re molding you to like find another light and changing people’s paths in their lives and we take that extremely seriously and and and we want to make sure that we’re putting a good match and that we’re we’re doing this methodologically and like everything now online here watch a video here do it your do it yourself train yourself that that’s why people are like oh can we do it can we do it in less time I’m like no this is the program you could actually do it in more time we want you to do it over two every two weeks because there’s homework there’s activities but there’s no free lunch there’s no fast track way to get here it took me a year to go through this process we’re doing it with you in six weeks 12 weeks um if you want a fast track you’re not where you need to be like you’re not at this place spiritually that you need to be to come into this program you should go do those things come to us when you’re ready maybe those things will work for you but we want the ones who have tried everything and they’re like I I can’t I can’t do this anymore. I want guidance I need somebody to help me and I’m patient and I’m gonna go through the steps because peeling away the layers doesn’t happen overnight.
No, it takes the years to put on the layers it’s kind of like weight gain and weight loss being about that and understanding that you want to do the work so that the neural pathways I mean the the the beauty of the brain is that there it’s plastic neuroplasticity that’s that’s that where that term comes from is that you can start to reframe everything in your mind it it won’t hurt you the way it once did like there would be a thought that would come into my head and I would just baw my eyes out. Now just for clarity the ones listening know that I suffer I have anxiety OCD that expressed itself after a major pivotal moment it just kind of reawakened and um ADHD no doubt um so I probably have like the trilogy of it and and as well my children have ended up with the same uh biological things and you’re right it the the spiritual aspect is important to have on there because it’s it speaks to identity and identity is where a lot of these issues stem from the anxiety rooted in certain things. So I commend you for not just working with career people and people finding their careers but also more importantly students, young people because the earlier we can get these kids to understand who they are and remove and help them remove those layers that their experiences have put on them the modeling the all these other things that you and I both experienced the better our world will be because they will step into their divine purpose much much sooner than we did. It won’t take them decades to figure this out like it took us decades to figure out right all these what we deem failures but that God used later to create these programs, right? Yeah
it’s step by step it seems like so congratulations on your company what is the name of your company how can we find you if we want to work with you and do you work internationally?
Yep.
So mindful career it’s mindful dash career dot com in the US we have 10 counselors in the US right now we are expanding we actually have uh a location in Austin uh everything is virtual um so uh we see everybody virtually and if somebody wants to um contact us they could go um find me on Instagram mindful under mindful uh miriam sorry underscore career or mindful dash career dot com and schedule an intro call and speak to somebody for free and uh see which program and if there’s anything that we can help them with because everything’s personalized thank you so much for joining us Miriam it has been such an honor to have you on the show um I’m definitely gonna be reaching out I have a couple of questions for you on the personal end of things uh for the listeners of release outreve purpose you know how always sign off with to remember Matthew 514 to be the light be the light like Miriam’s been the light take that initial first step as scary as it is into the unknown believe me with every step in obedience that you take the more the Lord reveals to you and it becomes easier and easier the more you do it. I know it’s scary I know the unknown is something that nobody wants to step in but have faith have trust and confidence that you’re his first and he’s with you every step of the way you’re not alone in this you’ve never been alone he’s never abandoned you and he didn’t abandon Miriam he didn’t abandon me even though at times I’m sure we felt it you know but it doesn’t mean that it’s true so um to everyone have a beautiful and blessed rest of your week by now so that’s it for today’s episode of Release Doubt Reveal Purpose head on over to iTunes or wherever you listen and subscribe to the show.
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