We trace Beth Green’s journey from a nine-year-old activist to an intuitive counselor who grounds social change in oneness, mutual support, and evolved ego. We challenge exclusionary religion, reframe purpose as co-creation, and offer practices to align inner healing with outer impact.
• early activism, refusal to conform, moral courage
• burnout and 12‑step surrender as a doorway to serenity
• intuitive awakening and counseling at the human–divine intersection
• God as consciousness, truth‑telling despite consequences
• oneness over competition, mutual support as a principle
• reframing ego through belief shifts and “I am” identity
• inclusion across faith, gender, and status, love without exclusion
• collective healing, interdependence, and a new “we” economy
• practical practices for returning to center and sustainable action
To get a free chapter of host Sylvia Worsham’s bestselling book, In Faith, I Thrive: Finding Joy Through God’s Masterplan, head over to her webpage at www.sylviaworsham.com.
Transcript:
SPEAKER_00:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
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Because I’ve still got a lot of fun left in me.
SPEAKER_01:
Hello bringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Released Out Reveal Purpose. And today is Beth Green. And my God, does she have a story of transformation to share with y’all? To have spiritual activism. When I read that, I was like, what is that? She has a story of like key, and I don’t know. You just want to dive in there. So, Beth, thank you so much for joining us on Released Out Reveal Purpose.
SPEAKER_02:
Oh, I’m so happy to be here and to meet you and by extension to meet your listeners. I’m sure they’re wonderful people.
SPEAKER_01:
They are. They are. I can only say that. I’ve had a couple of them reach out to me and say, thank you so much for these interviews. They’ve shed a big bright light on some of the issues that have been plaguing me. And so I know that you have an enormous story of transformation to share with us. So please dive deep, Beth, and please just share with us how you landed on spiritual activism.
SPEAKER_02:
Hmm. How did I land on spirit? Well, I guess I was born weird. And I bet you may have been too. You know what I mean. I I don’t mean that everybody isn’t an individual, but I mean I didn’t fit anywhere. I didn’t fit in my family. I didn’t I was giving lectures on spiritual topics at five. And I didn’t know anything about it. I thought it was just normal. You know, to me, I was normal. Everybody else was weird, to tell you the truth. And I became uh an activist at nine. And uh I was uh they were go they were going to expel me from elementary school. I don’t know what stopped them, but I I refused to salute the flag, the flag when they added under God to the Pledge of Allegiance. Not because I wasn’t spiritual, but because I didn’t believe in church and state. And so that was to me a constitutional issue. Now I’m nine years old, right? And Senator McCarthy is on television talking about communism. And I read a book about the Spanish Civil War and the fascists, and all of these things together, they made me very upset about our world, about the lack of kindness, about the lack of income equality, about the suffering, the needless suffering. And I just felt like I needed to be a socialist. Now, to me, socialist had nothing to do with communism, the way it’s seen, it’s not about China, it’s not about Russia. In fact, the way Marx described it, which I only read many years later, is from each according to his ability. Of course it would have been his at those days, from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Now, can you argue with that? I call that the potluck revolution. That’s what a potluck is. It’s as American as a potluck. You bring what you can and you take what you need, and it still brings tears to my eyes. And that’s what I came to believe in when I was nine years old. And remember, Senator McCarthy was going around screaming there were communists everywhere and people were being arrested and blacklisted and all of that stuff. And I stood up and I spoke, and uh that’s that’s when they started talking about expelling me from elementary school. Uh, because I mean this is you gotta understand, I was born in 1945. This is 1954, there’s no movement. And um there was, you know, this never really died in me, this kind of social consciousness and awareness. I was very upset about the bomb. And uh we were in those days, you you had shelter, you know, air aid shelter drills where you got under your desk at school, and that was supposed to protect you in case of a nuclear bomb. So uh I think I’m a little older than you, Sylvia, so you fortunately do not remember these days. So, although they’re they’re they’re back in many ways. So um this was how it was, and I I wrote a letter to the New York Times, and that letter to the New York Times was about being 16 years old and seeing my my world going towards disaster, or how I perceived it, and that was the the the thinking of the time, and uh it was published all over the world. It was published by the New York Times, it traveled around the world, it ended up on a Pete Seeger album. You you may not know who Pete Seeger is, but he was an icon of the movement in the day of a great man, very generous, always was at every rally, every strike, he was out there singing. He had no interest in money, he just wanted to serve the world. He’s a great person. And so anyway, I got expelled for that from college. And uh yeah, so I I know bad times when I see them. And uh, you know, I’ve been here before. But that set me on a course of it was very, very depressing. I saw the way the society was structured, I saw the economic system. I went to I was given a scholarship to go to an Ivy League school. I was ill my entire life. I was born with a hereditary condition, I became severely ill when I was 15. And so I’m trying to do all of this with a very, very difficult physical condition that uh nobody could understand at the time and was very debilitating. I don’t know what’s happening to my computer, but things are popping up and I’m just popping them back. We we’re we’re used to surprises. Anyway, this is a very long-winted story, so you’re wondering, but that’s how I became an activist out of caring, out of seeing suffering, out of being moved by the conditions of other people. Plus, I came from a working class family. I was born at the end of the Holocaust. I mean, how wouldn’t that be in my DNA? I was Jewish, you know, I knew about fascism and suffering and Nazism just with mother’s milk. And then I became very active in the political movement, um, in the anti-war movement, in the women’s movement. Very, very active. I was arrested three times, and it was all out of passion and caring. I never gave one thought to what am I gonna do for a living, or how am I going to it wasn’t in my consciousness. It was like, how am I going to help? Which I know is your mantra too. How am I gonna help? What can I do? The little that I could do. And I was totally burnt out by the time I was 35.
SPEAKER_01:
It does happen like that, doesn’t it? Usually it does. It has it’s what they call the midlife crisis, but for us it’s like a turning point. Yeah, it is a major moment of shift. Yes. So that was for you. How did you pivot out of there and to step into a healing space?
SPEAKER_02:
I guess. Very interesting question. I was the um for four years, I was the West Coast coordinator of the Wages for Housework campaign where we were trying to get recognition for women’s work. The care the the work of nurturing, the work of caring. That’s what housework is, is taking care of people. And uh so I was doing that for four years, and at the end of that one, there was a big blow-up in the organization, and the anger and the infighting and and and the misogyny in the movement, how the men were keeping the women down. And let me tell you, I I was very, very active, but they still wanted me to make the coffee. It was insane. But it was something that happened in the organization. I don’t need to go into details of that, and all of a sudden it was it was gone. They uh they threw me out of they didn’t, they wanted me to do something that was wrong, and I just stopped. And I had nothing. I was nobody, I was empty inside, I had been fighting for others uh all my life, and um I was no one. And at that moment I met a man. Now he was a full-blown practicing alcoholic. He was had been a drug addict, he was a drug addict at the time I knew him. He was a mess, and he went to uh a 12-step program. So I called AA and I said, How can I get my boyfriend to stop drinking? And they told me to go to Al-Anon. And I thought it I would go to Al-Anon, which was for the families of alcoholics, and they were gonna tell me how to get them to stop drinking. So and of course it was nothing like that, because it was a spiritual path for people who were in these really painful, difficult relationships of people who were in terrible trouble and were often lost. And um, but it was a program for the inside, and I I swear to God, Sylvie, it was like a miraculous experience. One of that became miracle after miracle. But this was the first. I went to this meeting and I looked at these women, because they were all women, because at that time the women stayed with the men and the men left the women who were alcoholic, because we we were the nurturers, right? You know what I mean? So what happened is that I looked at their faces and they seemed m better emotionally more peaceful and serene than I was. And I said, I better sit down, shut up, and listen. They have something I don’t have. And I had a spiritual awakening in that moment. And two years later, because of my terrible health, I went to a holistic chiropractor who sent me to a metaphysical counselor. He said I was literally the weakest human being he’d ever met, ever met. They couldn’t muscle test me. You know what muscle testing is? You go like this, and oh, and I can ask you, are you allergic to this or that? They I couldn’t hold up my arm, I couldn’t hold one muscle. I was 35 years old, you know. And um she turned on a green light, and suddenly I could hold one muscle. It wasn’t a lot, but it was a little bit, and I thought, what is this? So this was the second miracle, and she starts telling me about past lives, which and then I said to her, and I swear this is the truth. I said to her, It didn’t happen this way, it happened this way. And I started telling her, like I started seeing things, I had visions, all I needed was a green light, and I just I I had a psychic awakening in an instant. Although when I think about it, from the time that I went to Al-Anon, I was hearing the voice of God, but I thought everybody did. I thought that was just normal, you know, because uh they talk about it in the 12-step program. But this was really intense, and that day I went home and I called my Al Anon sponsor, and she said, Well, can you do that for me? And I said, Sure, why not? Come over. And that was it. I started seeing things and counsel, I became a counselor that day, and I have not gotten off that path since. Now it’s been a very tumultuous path, and I love just before our show, you you talked about your path not being linear. Well, God told me change is nonlinear, slow, nonlinear, and sudden. Oh yeah. It’s like the water boils, right? That’s what happened. So the water boiled and it became steam, and all of a sudden I saw things differently, and I became intuitively guided. Now, in the process of this, this part you’re probably not gonna like. My guides, I had guides that they were called the ascended masters, doesn’t matter who they were, and they started revealing themselves and telling me what to do, and I was very, very trained to stay in that intersection between the human and divine, and that’s where I lived. I was always listening for guidance on everything, what I should eat, if I should make a left turn or a right turn. That was my training, and that’s how I became a counselor, and then they said, We’re leaving. It’s time for you to own what you know. And I said, I don’t know anything. And I had just bought this big house for this organization that I that I was building, and they said, And they said, We’re leaving. I said, Thank you. They left me with this mortgage. Uh anyway, it was it’s been like that a wild ride. In fact, some years ago, God said to me, Beth, there is no God. And I want you to teach there is no God. There is only consciousness. There is a higher level, and I do I know you don’t believe that. And I this is not about arguing about different beliefs. Beliefs are just the beliefs, it doesn’t matter. It’s the essence that God wanted me to teach that it was about consciousness. And so that I did that. I was I uh once I turned somebody turned on a microphone and said, Okay, we’re gonna tape you, and I didn’t know what topic I was gonna speak on. And I said, and today I’m gonna speak about God, and that was back in the early 80s, and it was about God being God evolving, and and that everything evolves, including God, and that God is the totality. And I lost half of my clients overnight. So every step of the way, Sylvia, it’s been I I reached a point where I had to say something that I believed was true or that I thought might be helpful. And no matter what the consequence, I have to do it. So spiritual activism, coming back to your question, I know I’ve gone on and on. I hope this is helpful anyway, um is about coming back to I have to be an activist, I have to do something to help with suffering for the planet suffering, people suffering, animal suffering. I have to do what I can and and but I have to do it from the perspective of the higher consciousness. And that means not getting caught up in opinions. That means always being open to the guidance and coming from a place of connection to the divine and having the guts to do it.
SPEAKER_01:
It does take guts to do it because in some cases it’s this radical obedience that most people don’t understand. And when you’re in that position, it feels sometimes you feel a little lonely because you feel like no one else is doing this. Why me, right? But we’re very gifted in feeling shifts, energy shifts. We’re very gifted in feeling other people’s feelings. They call them empaths, but I call them highly sensitive people. And I my husband and I both are HSPs, which can be a little complicated in a marriage, but and I treat them are the same way. So we have uh an entire family that can sense shifts in energy within each other, and which can be interesting at times, but very gifted and a true blessing. Now, I don’t disagree with you of God being consciousness because God does come to us in thought. Thoughts. The thought is the conscious ability of the mind, which most people think, oh, that’s subconscious. Nope, that’s not subconscious. Feeling is subconscious, but the thought and attitude and choice, that’s conscious ability of the mind. We don’t use it as much on a daily basis as the other one, as the other mind. But when we learn to use the conscious ability of our mind, it actually can help transform the subconscious beliefs. Oh, yes, in a very big way. Because those beliefs were formed a long time ago when we were faced with modeling and programming and trauma and and experiences good and bad and ugly and all the times that we get in in daily life, and we all have these belief systems that are driving our thoughts and our feelings, and ultimately the results we have in our life. So I’m in total agreement with you that God does come across in thought. Mine is a persistent thought, and I know that to me, because I have a faith background and a different journey than yours, yeah. I do know that’s the Holy Spirit guiding me and saying, This is this is where you’re meant to go, and this is what you’re meant to do. Yes. And I don’t question it. I do, and I know I get looks by other people like, why are you doing this? Yes, and I’m like, this is great. This is because this is part of my gifting, this is part of my journey, and it’s totally unique to me. And so I’m actually taking steps to to and I’m not a leader at our church, but to do that, I had to go through a process. And these questions that they were asking me, I had to dig deep inward. I go deep and ask God, okay, what is the answer to this question from your perspective?
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:
Um, I’ve actually taught my husband to do this because I think men struggle with this a little bit more. Oh, yeah. Connection with the divine is, I think, more on the woman’s side than connected to the divine than men are. Men are too self-reliant.
SPEAKER_02:
And I and that self-reliant to be. They are their ethics, they’re supposed to be. I think they have it in them, but I don’t want to interrupt you, but I just want to say I think they have it in them, but they have been so brainwashed and conditioned to pretend that they are self-reliant when nobody is. We are only part of the oneness.
SPEAKER_01:
Yes. We’re all interconnected. You and I are connected. Yes. Uh you and my daughter is we’re all connected. And when God puts us in each other’s path, it’s for a reason. A very powerful reason. Your gifts are supposed to align to mine, and vice versa. But most people don’t see it that way. They see it as a competition. Um between men and women, men and women, which is the worst. I cannot stand competition with between women or men and women because it just defeats the purpose altogether. Yes, yes. And so I’m in total alignment.
SPEAKER_02:
There’s I don’t use different words. It doesn’t matter to me. You say Holy Spirit, I know exactly what you’re talking about. Yeah, I you know, it and and and you see, that’s why I’m a spiritual activist because I want to do something about the capitalist system, which is all based on competition. Yeah. It’s all about profit using people, exploiting people. You’re talking about okay, in my I wrote a book called I didn’t write this book. I I I have six books. Uh I I didn’t write any of them really, but it’s it’s nine play, it’s called Living with Reality. And it’s about how to evolve spiritually. And uh and in it I talk about oneness, uh, accountability, and mutual support. And those are the three principles of the spiritual activist movement. I really have more, it’s more detailed than that. But mutual support means I am here to empower you, you are here to empower me, therefore we are all more empowered. We can create through co-creation. We get because we co-create with the universe. We don’t create, we co-create with the universe in uh uh in a dance of intention and allowance, and we have to be in alignment with that, and we need to support one another instead of so that each one of us can make the contribution that we are there to make. If you have a child who is sick or is drinking leaded water, they’re going to damage their brain. That child might be the one that could have found the cure for cancer. I believe we all need health care, we all need clean water, we all need to be encouraged. We need to learn, we need to learn critical thinking and we need to learn cooperation from the minute we are born. We don’t even do it, most of us don’t even learn cooperation in our families. Kids are competing with each other, parents are competing with each other. That’s the modeling that we’re seeing. Plus, we’re traumatized. I so agree with you. That’s why I’m a counselor. I spend most of my, I mean my work life is counseling people, going back to the origins and using my intuitive gifts to help people to face things they don’t want to face about themselves. Because we are so brainwashed and so conditioned, we think this is God’s will. This is the way it has to be. And it isn’t. And so I think that I was, you know, if you use the term God or the concept God, it’s there see God told me not to believe anything, just to acknowledge that beliefs are just beliefs. When they’re useful and helpful, keep them, and when they’re not helpful, get rid of them.
SPEAKER_01:
Or shift them, empower them. Because I say the ego is the the enemy. I said the ego is not the enemy, the ego is the self-image. The self-image is comprised of bad beliefs, shift them. Yes, you just shift them, you don’t change them, you just from I’m not enough to I am enough. Or whatever it is, I’m a loser, I’m a winner. I mean, there’s there’s it’s it’s just shifting them. It’s it’s displaying the lies within you. The lies performed long ago. My goodness. Like these things formed long, long ago, before the age of two years old. Yes, and we’re still holding on to them as truth. I’m not held on to mine forever. I know it was so exhausting. And then finally, I had the near-death experience I experienced in 2012, and facing six doctors and saying, Well, you have an 80% chance of dying, and you likely won’t survive the night and meeting a miracle, and I received three within 72 hours. Well, that kind of shifts your per purpose and perspective dramatically. It’s not right away because you know, we’re human and fallible and we’re stubborn. At least I am. You said you were born weird, well, I was born stubborn. And so, my you know, God’s saying, My stubborn child, let me wake you up. And since you don’t listen to me and you haven’t listened to my promptings, I need to use your choice. And I’m gonna just just a little pain. You’re gonna feel a little pain. I’m just gonna wake you up and I need you to listen. And so I listened after my three miracles because it was hard not to. And uh and then I just I started to ask the deeper questions of why am I here? Like, why did I survive? When so many people die from pulmonary embolisms, I had multiple, I had so many, the doctors were like astounded. I even walked in, I walked in unassisted to the hospital. I was in deep pain, and I should have died multiple times, but I survived, and they were all in shock. And at the end of my three miracles, when the doctors come in and they’re like in total disbelief, yeah, that there is no evidence of of illness. I had already been told by God. He had already made his appearance known in the ICU with my boyfriend who ended up being my my husband, and we both felt his love and we both felt peace in an instant, and a knowing washed over me that I was okay, that I had received my second chance. And from that moment on, I have had a very different relationship with myself and with God, because myself and God are one. It’s this oneness approach that we must use with others. When we when God loves us, he loves us completely and wholly. Like every all of our mistakes, all of our faults, he does all of it. The way he loves us is the way we are meant to love other people. But we don’t understand that concept because we don’t. Before then, it didn’t make sense to me. He tells you, like the conscious unconsciousness for you, that made sense to you because he created you differently with a different different part of his plan because his sheep are all different and they all think differently. And he came to me years ago and said, Sylvia, I need you to go find my lost sheep and bring him back to me. Okay, so you so I ended up having to learn all these other modalities because I had to meet people exactly where they were, whether they believed in him or not. Yeah, I was there to guide them back to him calmly and peacefully. None of this fighting, none of this, oh my gosh, you guys are gonna fight it up. Nope. None of that came into play. And for people that I call myself a Christian now, in the Christian world, I would be an abomination because I talk to different sectors that are not necessarily who they believe are Christ’s followers, right?
SPEAKER_02:
They’re not prejudiced, you know, prejudiced enough. That’s your problem, Sylvia.
SPEAKER_01:
So I keep there and I go, okay. But you know, I’ve had my my direction from God, and I am obedient. I don’t question him, I just simply do. Yes, and I do it through this podcast, I do it through my books, I do it when I speak to others, when I share testimony. This is a thing for you. I’m imagining, I’m feeling from you that you get the same intuitive hits that I get. I get visions, you get visions, probably as well, and we just feel like our way through life, which for some people that’s hard to do because in our world, we’re told you need to control your circumstances. Yeah, that’s what a joke. And there is no control, that’s an illusion. Exactly. Of our mind, just like perfectionism, there is no perfection. He’s perfect, we’re not.
SPEAKER_02:
I say God isn’t perfect, and neither are we, but it’s we’re really saying the same thing using different words. What’s something different? And you’re so right. We’re we’re built differently, we have different purposes. See, the way I see it, and and all which is so much in alignment with what you’re saying, is well, let me tell you what God told me once. I wrote a book called God’s Little Aphorisms. And one of the because I, you know, I would get these zingers from the source that I you know it just came from nowhere. And I know I’m not that smart. You know, I’m smart, but I’m not that smart. And and uh so I was berating myself for not for making a mistake or not knowing something. And God said to me, Beth, if I had meant you to know everything, I wouldn’t have had to create other people.
SPEAKER_01:
Yes.
SPEAKER_02:
Yes, we are made for a job. I am I am designed to be who I am. I’m a musician. I’m the you know, I I I have a political background so that I can go out into the world now and I can talk about the society from the perspective from the spiritual perspective that is a part of me that is so much a part of me, I I couldn’t lose it if I wanted to.
SPEAKER_01:
I think you get to to begin with. I think it’d be like yeah, see my role will come into play and I will, you know, it’ll come back. Um, I mean, this is the relationship I have with them. It’s a really interesting relationship. And my kids often will say, Mom, are you talking to yourself again? Are you talking to him? And I’m like, Oh, I’m talking to him. He’s sitting right next to me, and like, wow, the belly right next to me as I’m driving the car.
SPEAKER_02:
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:
But I it’s a very natural relationship that I want them to understand with ourselves and with him. And yes, you’re right. We do use different language, but the message is quite the same.
SPEAKER_02:
Right. The energy behind it is the same. The intention behind it is the same. The consciousness behind it is the same. And I I I love this. And I love I’ve always felt very close to people who were extremely religious in a real way, because they’re hearing the same message I am. And it’s it hurts to see people using religion in order to demean others or hurt other people, or exclude them completely.
SPEAKER_01:
I wrote a post not too long ago on uh you know excluding people because they loved different genders. Yeah. And that really hit a nerve, but it also forced people to think about things. Because you see, I used Jesus’ ministry. I said, if you look at Jesus’ life when he came to earth, yeah, he included women, which in those years was a big no-no. Oh, yeah. And then he included thieves because Peter or Simon was a thief. Yes, and you know, they were the outcast, the tax collectors. Who would be the outcast today in society? And these uh they’re like, well, homosexuality would be the outcast, quote unquote, or the gender, the different genders and the different sex.
SPEAKER_02:
And the immigrants as well, by the way.
SPEAKER_01:
And the immigrants, yeah, they would be considered the outsiders, right? Yeah, what would Jesus say? Yeah, exactly. What would his opinion be? And why was the plan standing so enlightening to people? And people are like, and you’re a Christian, and I said, Yes, I’m a Christian. And but I also think that the Christians that believe this need to stand up because it will balance out what the true, like the difference between religion and faith. Because you see, I’m not really I don’t consider myself religious. Yeah. See, Jesus didn’t work.
SPEAKER_02:
Jesus didn’t work for it.
SPEAKER_01:
Jesus didn’t consider himself religious if you think about it. He didn’t agree with the Pharisees. He was constantly against them, constantly calling them out for the rules. You and I and Jesus were been friends because I was always the level. I was always breaking the rules, going against the string. And and people were like, Why are you saying these things? It was so different. Well, it’s because we were built to be these different people that had people question their motives. Why are you doing this? What is the purpose behind this? Yeah, your purpose is to draw people closer to him. You’re not. But the way you’re you’re attacking them and you’re using scripture, his word, to exclude people, he’d be he’d be so excited. He’d be horrified with that. So I’m always the one that steps in and defends him and says, No, no, no, no, no. See, that’s not what God wants. This is not what Jesus would say yes to. This is not the way he wants this done. He wants us to love him and love others the way he with us. That’s it.
SPEAKER_02:
That’s what he wants. Isn’t that what uh isn’t that the saying what you do unto the least of my brethren you do unto me? Yes. How can you possibly justify this behavior? But you see, this is where the ego comes in. And I agree with you. The ego, I think of it as the ego twice-born. It’s the ego evolves, and when the ego starts to support us in the right way, then the ego is twice twice born. But the ego is born in our infancy, you know, we’re like immediately fighting for ourselves, we’re out of the womb, and we’ve got to fight for ourselves. And then our whole, you know, uh the we learn how to manipulate, we learn how to get what we want. We we don’t, we’re not taught to care about other people. And this kind of survival mechanism that in in the living with reality, the introduction is called ego, instinct, and evolution, and it’s all about how the ego comes into play and how it runs us, these old patterns run us for the rest of our lives, and it makes us blind, it makes us short-sighted, it makes us self-centered, we don’t understand the oneness. You know, God gave me another uh aphorism, which was you can’t clean the air over one house in Los Angeles. So if you think you’re gonna make a great life for yourself, you’re wrong. Because if you’re living in a sick world, if you’re living in a depressed world, if you’re living in an angry world, if you’re living in wherever people are poor and can’t get their needs met, your life is damaged. You can, I don’t care how many walls you build, you still have that stinking air over you, you know, that pollution, because that is something we have to do collectively. We have to heal the collective on an emotional level, on a spiritual level, as you’re talking about, and also deal with the collective. I have something called the New Declaration of Independence, and uh that God told me to write the new, you know, God keeps popping in, even though he says there is no God. So I mean I understand the subtleties of things are nuanced. These are these are all human concepts. You know, we think in human concepts, so I laugh about it. In fact, once in the early days, I asked my guides, I said, Do you exist? And they said, What do you care? Is this helping or not? So if it’s helping, use it. If it’s not, get rid of it. So I get it. It’s like, oh, where when you w get into the oneness, there are no concepts, there are no distinctions, you’re just kind of like you know. God gave me an analogy too about uh the white light, which I think you might enjoy, which is um that if you look at the white light and you put it through the prism, you’ll see all these colors. But it’s really all the aspects of the white light, and that to me is what God is, is the totality and all these things that we’re afraid of, including anger, including h you know, there there’s no duality in reality. It’s all oneness. But we have to learn how to deal with these emotions and not let them dominate us because they are we’re run by our guts. We people think that they’re rational, but they’re not. Uh, you know, i it’s wonderful being a counselor because I get to see irrationality irrationality uh in action every day and try to get to the depth of what was the trauma, what was the treen training, what was it that got you to think this way? Because not everybody is gonna have like the miraculous transformational moment that you had. A lot of people it’s like you know, there these things, these beliefs have roots, and you’ve got to go in there and you’ve got to pull them all out. Because if you don’t pull them all out, they’re gonna drag you back. And so as a counselor, that is my job is to go in there and pull out all the roots of the things that are self-destructive and destructive to others. And the ego just gets so wrapped up in defending you in its own egoic way, it thinks it’s the hero.
SPEAKER_01:
It does, it takes on the hero’s journey, and it’s not. It’s not, it’s just one aspect, it’s the mind aspect of it, it’s the the the belief that that are driving these results. That’s all it is, and so it’s identifying and becoming aware of what those beliefs are, shifting them, empowering them rather, which is what I discuss in my first book. Well, my the second edition of my first book, it’s the same theme of like the ego, the soul, and spirit becoming one. And it’s that life’s journey is all about that. It’s about aligning all three together because the soul has always been there. This person that God created you to be, she’s always been there. Yes, it’s just now you’ve got to make sure that these layers aren’t on top, mucking it up. Exactly, exactly. Remove, remove a line and move forward as a one piece. When he talks to us, we listen, we obey, we move through life.
SPEAKER_02:
We are the God that’s talking to us. We are we are one with the God that’s talking to us. I my will is your will is God’s will.
SPEAKER_01:
That’s we’re one, we’re one with him, and so we there is no I’m a loser because he doesn’t create losers. That’s right. That’s right. He’s not a loser, so that’s I’m not a loser. The great I am. This is why in coaching the I am statements are so powerful. Yeah, because we are in essence identifying ourselves as him. Yeah. Or however you see God, you know, because we have the uh feminine and the masculine divine, and you know, man, however, it works for you, and however it makes sense to you, use whatever. But the truth is the oneness aspect is the message that needs to be clear. And I know that that’s been your purpose. It sounds like it, right?
SPEAKER_02:
Oh, all my life. All my life. That was when I was five years old and I was lecturing people, and I I didn’t have any idea that there was anything unusual about that. It was all about oneness. I didn’t like the way that the Jewish people, because I was grew up Jewish, how they were treating the Jewish immigrants that were coming over after the Holocaust. They called them greenhorns. And you know, how could you do that?
SPEAKER_01:
No, no. You just don’t, but it’s the the prejudice, you know. But that’s why you but that’s why you’re here. You release the doubt and you revealed your purpose at the age of five. So that’s pretty cool. Most people don’t get that. You know, some of us don’t get until we we are forced into a corner, like I was, and we’re like, okay, here comes your purpose. Ready? Here comes. Um, but and and some people live their whole life and never understand the concept of oneness. They don’t.
SPEAKER_02:
No, they no, they don’t. They really don’t. They think it has to do with being the same. It has nothing to do with being the same, it’s about being an integrated whole, that we together are God. You know, it is not me or you. I am, you know, but I mean, I think people have really distorted all of that and used the the spirituality in uh service to the ego.
SPEAKER_01:
Yes. And go it shows his purpose to to show us the contrast of what once was, the way we believed, and who we are now becoming. And it’s okay, you know, to have that contrast, but realize that it’s not who you are, who you were created to be. It’s just the layers of your experiences. That’s what ego is. That’s what it is.
SPEAKER_02:
I have another thought about the ego that it’s there to tell you that you need to put on a sweater. It’s the thought that protects you in a healthy way, and that’s it, but not to have it dominate your whole life. I see people, they’re so self-protective, they can’t do anything, but what are they protecting? They’re not really protecting their inner beings, they’re not living an authentic life, they don’t love themselves. They’re busy drinking and taking drugs and womanizing and being angry and climbing the ladder to success. And they will never get that peace that only comes from that feeling of connection to everything that come and I don’t always feel it either. You know, when I read the news, my stomach turns, and then I have to go back into the I am that. That’s one of my favorite phrases, I am that. So I wanted to tell you about the new Declaration of Independence only because when God told me that I was supposed to write this a couple of months ago, um, I went and I read the Declaration of Independence, and it’s about life, livity, and the pursuit of happiness. And it says if the government is getting in the way of that, you have a right to abolish it. So I say, okay, guys, we have a right to abolish this. Uh this is the the capitalist system is based on ego. It’s all about me. It’s all about me. So, and I can go into the political and economic analysis, but well, I don’t need to do that here. So it’s not, but it isn’t about me, it’s about we. And what we need to do is get rid of a system that feeds that, that feeds that you have to compete to survive, you have to take from someone else that it’s not about uh the we, it’s not about the universe, and then substitute for it something different and look forward to a positive vision. And I believe it’s really important to have a positive vision, and I talk about things like corporations that have workers on their boards, not just not having this one is exploiting the weaker. How do we build up everybody’s strength, everybody’s power, everybody’s well-being in the society? And I believe that the purpose of an economy is to meet the needs of people in the earth.
SPEAKER_01:
Yes, yes, it is, and that’s the way he taught us in his life. Like it was about making everybody better. And that’s that’s the message I want to leave the listeners or release out with today, because what you and I have talked about and discussed, there’s a lot of prosal wisdom shared without asking the question of the tips and the you know of what we would do in Crossroads. You shared all of that with your story of transformation. Thank you, Beth, for being here and for sharing your story and your heart and your vulnerability, because not everybody has the courage. I know you said you were born weird, but not everybody has the courage to like talk about these things openly. They they want to hide. And I appreciate you coming here and discussing this this subject matter that really needed to be discussed, especially in the in the turbulent times we find ourselves in. We need more of the messages of oneness, of hope, yes, of peace, because there’s a lot of people with a lot of anxiety right now, especially in on the world stage. So any last-minute words you want to leave our listeners with, Beth.
SPEAKER_02:
Don’t give up. Don’t ever give up. Don’t ever give up searching for your inner self. Don’t ever give up for standing up for your real self and not for the make-believe self that we create for the world in order to get ahead. No, there are people planted out there everywhere who are standing up, who are trying to do the right thing, that deep inside us we are all the same. We all have compassion, we all have courage. Some of us, it’s been beaten out of us. And and and not not to judge the people who are doing wrong, but to try to extend a hand and know that deep inside us we are one.
SPEAKER_01:
I love that. I love that. Thank you so much for joining us, Beth. I will send you the clip when it’s available. And to the listeners of Release Doubt, Reveal Purpose, remember Matthew 5.14. Be the light. Have a wonderful week. Stay safe.
SPEAKER_02:
Love ya. Thank you so much. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_00:
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