What if the years you tried hardest to forget were the very years that gave you your purpose?
That question pulses through our conversation with author Julie Barth, who raised six kids, navigated her daughter’s primordial dwarfism, and cared for a husband with stage four pancreatic cancer—capturing it all in raw BlackBerry notes typed in chemo bays. Those notes became a book and, years later, a mirror. When Julie finally opened the file she’d avoided for more than a decade, she found the truest version of herself waiting to be reclaimed.
We talk candidly about caregiver guilt, the double-bind of being everywhere at once, and the quiet resentment no one wants to admit when love collides with powerlessness. Julie explains how running from grief—moving across the country, accepting labels, entering an emotionally abusive marriage—kept her stuck in “predictably crappy” loops that felt safe only because they were familiar. We break down how fear, gaslighting, and the hunger for external approval distort identity, and why journaling, counseling, and honest community can realign ego, soul, and spirit. The pivot isn’t pretty, but it is practical: choose your thoughts, choices, and attitudes; stop chasing control of the big things; tell the truth about what happened and who you are now.
If you’ve ever packed your pain in a box and lost yourself along the way, this story will feel like someone switched on the lamp in a dark room.
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Transcript:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Hey Lightbringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Release At Review of Provision. Today is Julie Barth. I read her bio and my heart felt for her because she’s gone through so much loss in her life. And when we dive deep into her story, you’ll understand why. She is the author of Notes from a Blackberry, which I thought was a very unique name. I remember having a Blackberry myself and always taking notes on it. So that really resonated with me. And as a mother of a special needs parent, um, she also navigated the loss of her first husband’s cancer. And so that’s where her loss comes in. Then she, you know, when we’re women and we’ve navigated through so much in our life as caretakers and nurturers, sometimes we forget to take care of our own self-care and we land in traps that are not good for us. We land in um emotionally abusive relationships because we’re not taking care of ourselves. So without further ado, Julie, thank you so much for joining us today on Released Out Reveal Purpose.
Hi, Sylvia. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
It’s wonderful to have someone that understands the concepts of loss and resilience and has come through it and landed on the other side as an author. And what a healing journey that must have been for you to kind of recount your story of um through that loss. So could you do us the honor of including us in that story of transformation?
Sure. Um, it’s funny that you said I’ve heard you say loss a couple of times, and you know, and I think it’s probably where I am in life right now. You know, maybe 20 years ago I would have been like hearing it and thinking, yeah, but for some reason, the position that I’m in now in my life, and after everything, um I I don’t feel like I had a lot of loss. I feel like I had a lot of gain, which sounds, you know, not trying to be toxic positivity, but um, as you said, I maybe not, but I’m the mother of six children and um I feel like I’ve been very, very blessed. Um, I do have a special needs daughter, she’s 24. She has something called primordial dwarfism, which um we didn’t know. She was born in 2001. So when she came out, you know, there was no Google. People weren’t talking on social media about these rare genetic things. So she was just really small. And we had a whole bunch of um medical malpractice. Uh so the crux of what we were dealing with was more outside of whatever was going on with her. Um, but after we finally got her to a place where she was, you know, going to do okay, my husband and I at the time, um, we were high school grammar school sweethearts, you know, he was my first kiss. And right as we were rejoining life, we had two more children. Um, when my youngest was six months and my oldest was 10, we were having a huge Halloween party. And I told him, you know, he wasn’t feeling well. Back and forth, you know how men are back and forth to the doctor.
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And I said, just go figure it out, you know, being being the mother I am. Go to the hospital, don’t leave. I’m gonna go run errands, you know. Um, and within, you know, I think within a couple hours, um, when I went to the hospital, we found out that he had stage four pancreatic cancer. So yeah, it was a huge, huge, you know, shock, I guess, because he was about 34 years old, although it was genetic from his mother, which also gave us kind of an um a positive feeling she had been able to live with it uh and had been the miracle patient. So I I suppose that we we thought we were gonna be there too. And so that’s where Notes from Blackberry came from. It’s a story, it’s it’s the first of three of my books, and it’s a story of Tatum, uh, my special needs daughter and Colin. Uh, when I would go down to chemo with Emma at a BlackBerry, and I was writing Tatum’s story because I found when the nurses, you know, the nurses make their rounds, and anyone who’s been in chemo, you know, you get this little cubicle and they come by and they try and cheer you up. And I would immediately go into this story of, well, my daughter, and I felt like I was just throwing up like all of my experience on them. And I thought, you know, maybe I should just write it all, but I’ll give it to myself. So I made notes of my BlackBerry and I emailed it back to myself. So the book uh went through her and Colin and I meeting, and it ends in 2009 when we lost him after about 16 months of a really um hard-fought battle.
My heart goes to you, and I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit. I I could feel your spirit coming through the conversation, and I love that at the beginning you talk about how much gain you did gain healing, you did gain a knowing and an understanding of what resilience really looks like in in circumstances, right? In trials and tribulations. And I find that when we reflect on it, the knowledge we gain is is immense. And I would imagine that when you email these messages back to yourself, there were lessons you saw. What were those lessons for you?
Well, it actually sat on my laptop for 13 years. After we after we lost Colin, um, I I wasn’t prepared to deal with, you know, it had been 16 months of watching him suffer and losing a piece of him every day. So where we were in this huge full community of people who are so amazing to us, you know, they showed up, they had fundraisers. When I was just starting to grieve, uh, I mean, when everyone else is just starting to grieve, I was kind of like, I’ve done that, I’ve been there, I can’t do this anymore. So what I did was, um, unfortunately, I I packed it all away and I just decided I’m not gonna be Julie Barth anymore. If I don’t acknowledge that it happened, I’m going to move across country, start a whole new life, put that in my past and not deal with it. You know, it’s it’s over. I felt like it was over and I’m just going to move along. And so I didn’t read it for 13 years. I ended up getting into a very abusive relationship coming off of that and really just losing myself. You know, I I think that I I really did it ironically, you know, change my name. I got remarried and I lost Julie Bart. And where I wanted to lose her right out the gate because it came with so much hurt and so much pain. Um re figuring out who she was after another, because it was another 10 years of emotional abuse and horrible situations, and Tatum had cancer, unrelated to anything else. Getting out of, you know, with my divorce. Um, it it was time for me to unpack all of that. So that’s when I went through the book. And I’ll be honest, it was almost like reading, reading someone else’s life, because I had done that well of a job of hacking it away and not acknowledging it and not being that person anymore. Um so yeah, I just got my name back, you know, about a year ago. And and it’s like I tried so hard to get rid of the person that was the best person of the best version of me, but it was too painful to be that person. So I’m glad I’m back. But uh yeah, I now I don’t recognize the second character um in my second book, which is going to be from Blackberries to Thorns. That’s like a whole different character, although it’s the same me.
So you know, I find it interesting that you bring up the different identities because we are sometimes ashamed of our previous identities because it cost us so much pain. However, they’re the ones that teach us the greatest lessons about ourselves, about how strong we were too. You mentioned how it was the best part of you. Can you take us more in depth on what you mean by that?
Well, the Julie Barth of the first book, um, you know, Mother First, um not that I put people above me, but that I always recognized that, you know, I was I was put here for a certain purpose. And, you know, I I did. I did a lot of, you know, trying to keep kids apart, you know, make sure that my children had whatever normal LC we could probably have, while also trying to care for my husband. But I think unfortunately, although I was doing all this good and I was holding up literally plates in the air and spinning them all as a caregiver, you never feel like you’re doing enough. You never feel like what if I was with Colin, I felt like I should be with the kids. If I was with kids, I should be with Colin. And so when he passed away, I had so much unresolved guilt and shame that from the outside, I don’t think if I had told anybody how I was feeling, that I wasn’t good enough, that I didn’t save them, because when somebody looks to you and thinks you can save them, you start believing it. And although you know realistically you can’t, when they pass away and you watch them suffer and you could do nothing, it really takes its toll on you in ways that you don’t know. And so, you know, reading about myself reminded me that I did the best that I could. In fact, I went above and beyond, you know. Um, but that’s a hard thing to accept because I really felt like I should be punished. I didn’t like myself, you know. I had wished him gone, which of course it was because he was suffering. But, you know, there was also that element that I was resentful of him. He was, you know, my 30s were gone, and you know, and feeling having to reconcile with those human, everybody has those feelings, and nobody heard it but me. But I had to reconcile myself with, you know, whatever power I was speaking with. And that was I I didn’t have the strength to do it at that point because it surely would have taken me if I had processed all of the guilt that I had. So I just bounced along. But then in reading it, I recognized in myself like I’d done the best that I could, but it took all those years to, you know, work through it or maybe put it aside and let the pain heal so that you can go back to it to really see who I was.
There’s a lot that I’m hearing, and I’m going to highlight a couple things. One is it took time, and I want people to understand that are hearing this podcast interview that everybody’s journey is different, and everybody’s trials and tribulations happen not sometimes in this chronological order that we would like, which is you know, you go through pain, you deal with the pain, and then you start new chapters. That would be the ideal way of doing things. However, um at times, God knows our heart in the way we were created, and sometimes that’s not going to happen for us in that in that way. And sometimes it’s unfortunate, but sometimes we have to have a contrasting experience for us to finally look at ourselves in the light that we were created to be initially, before all the layers got piled on. Because our minds are always taking in all this information, and that guilt and shame probably built up over years. Yeah, it’s not something that you can unpack quickly and easily, and so I want people to give themselves a little bit of grace when they are going through these major trials and tribulations. That you are, number one, doing the best that you can, doing the best that you are aware of. And there’s there’s that line is really packed in. The subconscious mind is very powerful. We know that it controls about 90% of the way we act in life and operate in life, whether we move towards pleasure or avoid pain, which is what you ended up doing with avoiding your pain, avoiding looking at those chapters, those notes from your BlackBerry, because it just reminded you of those years that were just so hard to handle, right? There’s lots to unpack in what you said. It’s very, very loaded. So I’m gonna try to do my best here. Um, we know that as you’re navigating through loss, sometimes we fall traps and victim to these relationships that are very abusive, but sometimes it gives us that contrast of what we could fall into, and that is the lesson that we have to learn sometimes, so that then we start to say, That’s not where I want to live. That’s not who I want to be anymore. I want to be this, and it also prevents you from ever going back to that life because you’ve already lived through that pain and you’re not willing to put your children through that again or yourself through that again, and you want to heal, and it’s going to be a permanent healing versus putting on bandages, you know, and some people are very good about that. They just put on slap on the bandage and just keep going, and and then, but you keep doing it throughout your life, and that’s why you’re constant in these cyclical things that you just feel like you’re never coming out of. When you finally move, truly move through the pain, that’s when it’s permanent, and you land on the other side of joy and presence, which are patiently waiting for you on the other side of that darkness. Um what now that you’re accepting of what had happened to your past, what do you feel is your next chapter?
So, well, I I opened up a charity, um, and the charity is based on dealing with the many versions of me, whether that’s special needs mom. You know, I’ve just found myself in positions where I it’s unimpossible or unimaginable and impossible to navigate. And for some reason I feel as if I was given the tools um, you know, before I even got here, that have allowed me to, you know, pick it up and keep going and see the good in it because I’m not one that will wallow in something. I’m not somebody who, you know, I I might get down about something, but nothing, knock on wood, has been able to take me out. Um, so my work now really, I feel as if when you talk about um, you know, certain lessons that we’re here to learn, I I feel as if you do if you don’t learn them when you’re supposed to, they will keep coming up again and again and again. And, you know, so when I look at the totality of what I’ve been through time and time again, I feel as if I was, you know, granted this wonderful way to just say, okay, and move along. Um, but I think that now I’ve learned the lesson of, you know, you can’t just ignore stuff and keep moving along because although you want to leave it in your past, your past comes with you until you’re ready to, you know, like you said, move through it, experience it, learn lessons from it so that you don’t do it again. So my life now is really committed to trying to help other people who have lost that piece of themselves that’s still there, but they’ve stopped believing in themselves for whatever reason. And, you know, I I do work with a lot of women who say to me, Oh, I couldn’t have made it without you. I couldn’t have done this without you. And my answer to them always was, no, I you did it all on your own. I was just some mirror that showed you who you were before you became this person that thought you couldn’t, because that’s what happens is we get beat down so much that we no longer recognize the strength that we have. And sometimes it just takes someone to come along to remind you, no, listen, you are you’re you’re Julie Bark. You have been through this, you know, and reading my book, I think, really reminded me of of who I was. And you don’t have to write a book. So, you know, journal journaling is a great way to remind yourself of who you are. But you know, there the younger versions of ourselves are so ready to tackle the world and and so ready to just look at a situation with fresh eyes. But the older that we get, the more we go through, the more we see it through the lenses of whatever we’ve been through in the past. And we’re not seeing the reality of the situation. We’re seeing all of the presumptions, assumptions, um, you know, forecasts that we have that probably don’t exist, but we’re putting our we’re putting our attentions onto them. So um I think that’s that’s my goal now is to you know show people um whatever mindset they have isn’t coming from outside, it’s coming from within.
Oh my goodness, loaded. Everything is so loaded. So you’re let me unpack some of it. What I kept hearing in my mind, and this when I get certain things highlighted in my mind, that’s God coming through and saying, we need to highlight this. You’re rejoicing the truth of what happened, you’re rejoicing the truth of who you are, truly, through these other identities and the acceptance piece when we allow the identities to show us who we once were and the beautiful parts that we come with us in our journey because we don’t go through this pain just because we really don’t. It it equips us for what’s coming next, right? Where it’s kind of like I always attribute it to a video game. You you level up, you learn certain skills, and then you level up, and then again, and it’s like and it’s and it’s hard sometimes because these are skills that are not easy skills to acquire, they require some endurance, some perseverance, some courage. And and then once you have them, you’re like, ah, this this feels good because now you you have your full armor to continue this journey. So I love how you guide women in rejoicing in the truth of who they are, and not to avoid, because you’ve been that avoider and you know what that cost you, and it cost you dearly, right? And it cost you what 13 years, 10 years of your life, and and that those are things that sometimes I know I was one of the stubborn children that required several traps and several, like, okay, how many times I I often hear God tell me in the mornings in our coffee chats like, baby girl, how many times are you gonna go through this? I mean, do you really want to go through this chapter again? I don’t want to put you through that again, but it seems like as a parent, he’s like, Oh, here we go again. I’m gonna watch her do this to herself again. And and I do the same with my coaching clients of like, we are the mirrors. We’re we’re there simply to guide them through the journey so they have an accountability partner. We’re not doing the work for them. I mean, coaches that are doing the work, then that’s not a coach at all, right? Yeah, that’s a facilitator or a trainer, if you will. But as a coach, we ask the questions and we let them go through their own journeys on their own. And then we just kind of hold their hand and hold space for them. It’s like, and we we hear them out and then we ask the questions that we know we need to ask to get them to identify what’s at the root of why they’re behaving the way they’re behaving, why they’re feeling what they’re feeling. Is it a feeling that’s a lie, you know, created by the mind years and years ago through the trauma? Or is it something that is the truth now? Right? Yeah, and and that discernment piece, and you’re right, the answers are within, they’re not outside of us. Yet we all fall in that trap. Why do you think people fall in that trap, Julie?
Well, I think it’s twofold. You know, I I have a daughter who’s my youngest daughter, and I tend to tell her who she is, you know. Oh, there goes, there goes Sarah again, you know. And I I think as human beings, people do that to us, especially when you’re surrounded by you know family or um you’re pigeonholed as being something or someone. So I think there are some sort of outside, you know, influences that continually tell us who we are, like my abusive, you know, husband telling me who I was. And it takes really a sense of self to say, well, that might be who you see, but that’s not who I am. And that is one of the hardest things I think as a human being to do. Okay, I’m hearing what you’re saying, but that’s your impression of me that is not me, because I think we, you know, gaslighting is such a big term right now. I think that it’s much easier for us to take the word of someone else than to believe in ourselves. Why that is, I think. I I I I think it’s partially because we want to be accepted by other people. And you in order to be accepted by other people, you try to become the version of them of yourself that they want you to be. But I think one of the hardest lessons that I learned is that you know, you you have to let people think you are whoever they want to think you are, because that doesn’t change who you are. And it it doesn’t affect you unless you let it. Finding acceptance outside of yourself will always be empty because you will never be the person you want to be. You’ll always be the person that you think other people want you to be. And there’s a big difference in that. Oh, yeah. Until you see that, but until you see that, you know, you I was very guided by being a good person by someone else’s standard. Oh, well, a good wife would do this. Well, a good mother. And I would toss it back and forth, especially as a special needs mom. You were really challenged because you’ve got the medical community, you’ve got, you know, therapists, you’ve got telling you what your daughter needs or you what your child needs to do. And I was always on the other side saying, but those aren’t my goals for her. And it’s the same thing that you have goals for your child, but you should have for yourself instead of allowing someone else to shape you into you know what society wants you to be.
I love that answer. You really answered it very, very well. And I I’ll add that in my own personal journey, in my own personal experience, that was the hardest lesson for me to learn as I navigated these different identities that very recently showed themselves and that God was trying to show me through the various traps I kept falling into. And he said, Look, look, this you accepting these identities as part of your truth, as part of who Soviet worship is after all these years of perseverance is important because you learned a lot. However, the greatest lesson I learned in recent years was I was seeking belonging and significance outside of myself. And God was saying, that’s not where your significance comes from. Your worth, you already have worth just by being my kid. Your worth is inside of you. The significance I give you, not the outside world. You will not find it outside of yourself, you will always find it within. Because when ego, soul, and spirit become one, that’s the true alignment of our ourselves, of our being, of being that creation, that light in the world. That’s when we truly start thriving, because we’ve accepted our past, we’ve accepted our pain as part of our journey, and it has taught us so many beautiful lessons, right? And that’s where the ego comes in, right? And then the soul that’s been pulling us in this lighter direction that we refuse to go in because we get pulled and we’re in constant conflict with what the world wants us to be because we have so much influence. That’s why it’s so important to surround ourselves with a community of people that see our light, that that pour light into us, not take our light away, not tell us, well, this is who I see you to be. Well, that’s great, but that’s your lens. That’s your lens, and your own experiences are informing that lens and that view of me. And until you heal, truly heal, you won’t be able to see me in that light because you’re being led by the assumptions and the influences that are not necessarily all healed influences, if you think about it. Some of these people that speak into us, we have to also understand where are they coming from? Are they healed? Have they done the work, or are they speaking from what the general population is talking about, the the popular concepts, you know? Yeah, you have to kind of view it and and take apart where things are coming from. And that’s when you do the inner work, this is this, this is the gain you gain from that, is that you you see why you fell in those traps in the first place. You see that you that God or higher source is trying to teach you all along, but you kind of failed. Every time you failed and kept going and kept these um mistakes going, it was there all along. You just didn’t want to listen to it. We wanted to avoid. And it teaches you a lot about your tendencies. That’s why the self-awareness piece is so important for people. You gotta sit back and reflect. Why did I do what I did? You know, where’s that motivation coming from? Why did I get triggered? Like, stay curious about it. Okay, where’s this coming from? And then when you get to the root of it, you’re like, oh my goodness, that is so not true. You know, there’s evidence in your current life that this spell that it like immediately, and then it it seizes to have power over you, and then you can move forward. Um, but that’s why the rejoicing of the truth, which is the the thread of what I hear you say throughout everything you’ve answered for me, is what’s the truth? Start there and then move from there. Um, so do you find yourself that this foundation and and writing these books, is this now your divine purpose, or do you think this is just seasonal for you?
Um you know, I I do feel like it’s my purpose. And you know, I did I had someone the other day say to me, like, well, what happens when you get burnt out, or you know, because I talk to women a lot about these things. And you know, that’s another assumption I think people have is like it it’s gonna start with me, but it’s not going to be about me. You know, it’s not about me, it’s not about my story, it’s not about me as a human being, it’s about a movement. And if I can, you know, if I touch one person’s life, then hopefully they will touch five more people’s lives, and those five people. So um, you know, I I think my purpose is just if I help one person, and I I’m okay with that, you know. Like I when I hear sometimes I get on the phone with women and it’s so clear from the outside what’s going on. You know, these people because they come in and they say something and they’re telling you their story, and you see this like theme that is like you know, like red flagging, but they can’t see it. And they keep second guessing themselves and saying, well, maybe I wasn’t. And it’s like seriously, there is a red light going on behind you, but they’re so focused on whatever their intention is, that they’re ignoring everything in their wake. They’re ignoring the consequences of things, they’re ignoring the signs and the and so if I can show one person, open up those blinders for one person and release them from the true like torture that they’re living in their lives. Because, you know, that phrase about insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again, you know, wrong. It is so true. You know, as human beings, we come to the table and we keep doing the same, some of us more than others, because I am so, you know, that is one of my things. I am so determined, like, and so is my daughter Tatum, and that’s why she’s still here. But like I for so many years refused to listen to other people. They would tell me something and I’d be like, mm-hmm, and then I knew what I wanted to do anyway, therapists, friends, you know. Yeah. And I finally felt it. Like, and I remember I was with uh uh one of my counselors who I had been seeing for years and years and years, and I finally said to her, You do know that I’ve not been listening to you this entire time. And she said, I do, but the fact that now you know it is like that was like slow, yeah. Because I was, I was like, I sit in this chair, I’ve been sitting in in these chairs, whether that is, you know, counseling or with my friends, or and I’ll say something and I’ll get a response that I don’t want to hear, and I’ll be like, and then I’ll just go about doing exactly what I want to do. And I think that’s a lot of us are just on autopilot. Like, okay, I hear what you’re saying, but that’s going to feel uncomfortable, that’s going to be outside of what I want to do, and it it’s outside of what I know, and that’s fear, it’s all fear-based and the unknown and the uncertainty. So you feel as if you if you stay on the same track, it’s predictable. And I say to people all the time, it’s predictably crappy. Yes. Like there’s gotta be something better, but you’re so afraid to make a move and inch, especially when you’ve been through really hard and hurtful times. You want to control and you want to manage. Unfortunately, those control and manage things keep you stuck in something that you can’t see your way out of. So um that’s kind of how I I have conducted my life. I’m finally starting to say, okay, what do you really have to say? What how can I learn from your experience rather than just always falling back on my own? Because I think we all do that. Like, oh, you don’t you don’t know you haven’t been there. Oh, you say that, but if you were in my shoes, and that’s kind of been my attitude for many years, like, okay, well, you know, you you haven’t been through what I’ve been through. So but the the just because you’ve been through complicated situations or experiences doesn’t mean that the answer always has to be complicated. Sometimes it really is that simple, but you make it complicated because that’s all you know is complex.
Well, we know that fear has a lot of energy and we’re so used to it. We’re so used to surviving. We don’t know any different. When we land in different spaces, it’s very new. I know when I landed in joy the first time, I was like, what do I do with it? I don’t know how to be I don’t know how to be in joy, I don’t know how to receive. I know how to give. I’m really good at that. But receiving that was tough for me. And so I made it my word one year in 2024. Receive I was that just did not feel good. But it was God’s way of saying, we need to start developing the person that you were created to be in the first place. Right. That’s what that’s what took a while for me to just as a he’s the great surgeon, I call him, and he used a scalpel, and so it’s not gonna, it’s gonna hurt like he shaves off certain things because and it’s gonna make you feel very vulnerable.
Yes, exposed.
You’re open and you’re exposed, like you said, and most people want to just kind of go into their shell and not be exposed like that because it we’re survivors, so we know that we’ve been attacked before, and so our shield goes up, our armor goes off. In my case, my armor was pride. My my pride was the biggest thing. It took him a while to shave off. It was so hard to get much here, it was so difficult for him, and it to this day is he’s still struggling with that. And I say he, and because I’m talking about God, and I how frustrating it must be for him to watch, saying, Oh my goodness, I see your capacity, I know what you’re using.
Oh, we all see it outside when other people in our lives, you know.
And I and I’ve seen it with my friends, and and I’ve lived through through part of what one of my friends is going through right now, and and as a friend, I’ve held this space, but it’s so frustrating as a friend to when they ask you for advice and you give the advice and they they do what you did because it makes them uncomfortable, it triggers them, and they don’t want to hear that because it’s not what their flesh desires. What their flesh desires is completely different than what the spirit is gonna lead you on, and that’s what people need to understand. That’s why self-awareness is so important, that’s why we need to heal these lies because they continue to harm them. It’s it’s my husband used to say instead of the comfort zone, it was known as the miserable zone, because that’s where you’re at. You’re in misery, you’re not a happy person when you’re avoiding pain. Yeah, you’re controlling situations. That’s a lot of anxiety and fear you’re leaving, living in. Yeah, but you won’t be able to see it. Like you said, we don’t see it until something drastic happens and it wakes us up. And if we’re fortunate and we’re forced to move, um, but why are you waiting for that am turning point to happen? We’re trying to help people, right? You and I are like, don’t do it. This is gonna suck if you do it this way, you know? But okay, I guess you’re one of those, you’re one of us. But um so if I wanted to work with you, Julie, how how do I find you, or where do I find your books? Because I really want to read your book now.
Um, so it’s Julie Barthauthor.com. Um, B-A-R-T-H. If you go to my website, there’s a tab for uh, well, you can find my books, my podcast appearances, um, my blog, and um, there’s also my daughter who’s 24, the special needs daughter, she does art, like really amazing art. Um self-taught. So um all of the proceeds from her art sales go to fund the charity. So her art is uh there’s a tab to shoots off to her website, and then the CJB outreach. Um, there’s also a tab there. So if you want to get involved, if you want to donate, there’s uh you know information there, or if you need help, I’m the person that mans it. Um so if you reach out to me, all my social handles are on there. And um, you know, right now our charity is in its infancy, but um, even if I don’t have the resources, I am really, really sad on finding them for you.
So wonderful. Any last words of encouragement you want to leave the listeners have released out trivial purpose with?
Um I think you know, just to believe in yourself, you know. Um like you said, we’re all here for a reason. Sometimes the hardest thing is to find out what that reason is, but once you find it and you accept it and you go with it and you stop fighting, it’s like you know, I I was in the ocean fighting against a tide my entire life, and now I like I swam to shore and I’ll dip my feet once in a while, but it’s refreshing now and it doesn’t take me. So yeah.
I love that. I love that because as you’re talking, I’m thinking, well, I’m just going with the waves now. Like even when they come, it’s like meh, lean into it because trials and tribulations are there constantly, and it’s how you move through them that that’s that ease and flow of life. You you realize that you know you’re gonna your your ego’s gonna pull you, but you know better now. And so you want to be led by your lights more than anything, and so yes.
And I think also that we’re not in control. I mean, you’re in a control, control the things that you can, which might seem very small, but they’re the things that you’re supposed to control. Stop worrying about the big picture and everything, because unfortunately, those big life things that are always they’re always gonna be there. You cannot control them. The only thing you can control is the way that you respond to them and what you do with them.
Yes, those small things we we call thoughts, choices, and attitudes. So sort of the small things we can control. We have full dominion, and they’re the most important ones because they’re the ones that lead us to these actions and patterns of behavior and habits that kind of rule our lives. So those small things are really, really important. So, Julie, thank you so much for joining us, sharing your light with us. And for the listeners of release out reveal purpose, remember Matthew 5.14 to always be the light, be your big bright light because this humanity really needs you to step in there into your purpose and to move through it in the best way possible. Have a wonderful week. Stay safe, love y’all. Bye now.
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