What if your confidence isn’t something you find, but something you build—one obedient step at a time?
Mbo’A joins us to share how a bold move to Ukraine shattered old ambitions and rebuilt them on a stronger foundation: God first, identity secure, and actions aligned with calling. We trace the shift from chasing status to serving purpose, and why the real question isn’t “Can I get there?” but “Who am I becoming on the way?”
We get practical without losing the soul. Pascal lays out his confidence code—confidence lives in action—and shows how to discover your lane by focusing on what comes easy to you that others find hard. We dig into training your mind with Scripture, catching doubtful thoughts before they steer your day, and building habits that hold when life shakes. We also explore the power of tools like the DISC assessment and spiritual gifts to reveal wiring, clarify roles, and stop fighting yourself. When your temperament and your anointing line up, decisions get lighter and momentum grows.
If you’re tired of borrowed ambitions and ready to decode doubt, this conversation will give you language, tools, and courage to move. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a nudge, and leave a review so more people can step into a purpose that lasts.
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Transcript:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host, Sylvia Warsham, will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Hey light bringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Release Doubt Review Purpose. And today is Pascal Boa. And when I met him just now, actually, because we we connected on PodMatch, I realized he has so much wisdom to share about doubt and stepping into confidence. He’s lived in places like Ukraine, which is where the shift occurred for him. And it almost always occurs this way. Some point in our lives, we reach a crossroads and we face choices. And he faced that choice in Ukraine and he started working on this doubt and decoding it, if you will. And then he moved to Dubai, and that’s where everything needed to manifest. So without further ado, Pascal, thank you so much for joining us. I’m released Doubt Review of Purpose.
Oh, thank you, Sylvia. Thank you so much for having me today. Um, pretty sure I’m excited about the conversation. Um, I’ve listened a couple of of the episodes you released before, and the conversation was juicy. So I’m I’m only I’m all in myself.
I’m I’m in tune. And as you’re speaking, I feel the Holy Spirit. So I know that something is about to transpire that’s pretty magical. So why don’t you share with us how you landed in Ukraine, why Ukraine, and then Dubai, and why you talk so much about decoding doubt.
Yeah. So this is gonna be cool. Because, you know, sometimes we we we have this conversation, but we don’t have them in the right space. And I think this is the right space. So a lot of the Ukraine as as a student, right? A lot of the Ukraine as a student, as a Christian already. I was already a Christian. I’m I’m I I was born in a Christian family. Like my grandma, she told me everything that she knew about respecting God, praying, worshiping, but somehow deep deep down, there was still some level of relationship with God that I didn’t I mean I wasn’t familiar with. Okay, just to put it in a simple way, I wasn’t just familiar with that with those different levels of relationship with God, and Ukraine was the place where God was like, okay, I I can see the all the ambitions that you have, because for me to move from my country to Ukraine, that is a bold move. Like, not so many people were gonna do that, and if I tell you the way that I did it, you’ll be like, wow, because my mom, my parents, they were not aware of the fact that I was leaving my country. So I came like a week before a week ago, a week before the trip, and then I was just saying my mom, uh, you know what? I’m going to Ukraine. And she’s like, You’re going where? I’m like, I’m going to Ukraine. Why? I’m like, No, I know where I’m going. I’m just going. Well, you don’t have to. I know everything is good. The trip is there. I got my flat ticket, everything is paid, the university, I’m going. So when I landed in Ukraine, I think that was uh a space for God to say, okay, good. I I see all the ambitions that you have. But if I let you run with those without knowing this level of relationship, without unlocking that, you’re gonna walk, you’re gonna run wide and to your loss. Okay, so that was so good, and it took four years for God to break the ground again over and over and over and over. And at the end of the four years, I I was I was ready. I was ready. I mean, all the ambitions that I had before, they were all refined.
Explain to us how he refined it and what were those ambitions that God said, This isn’t who I created you to be.
Very simple things, very simple things. I want to be the first, I want to be the burst, I want to be the one who’s always seen. Without a reason, without the why. It doesn’t matter. I just want to get it. How you want to get it? It doesn’t matter, I just want to get it. So the relationship with God was mostly well, you want to get it, but there’s uh there there are multiple ways to get it. Getting it is not the problem. How you get it, that is the real problem because it will separate you, or it will bring you with me forever. So before the refining God is, I want to get it, I want to be the first, I want to be the one with sing, I want I want to be the one that always called, but then after that, after the breaking down of God is okay, you know what? I still want to be the first, but I am not about to sell my soul to become the first. I’m not about to be the fool just to be seen. I’m not about to reject my gift and talent just because I want to make money. I’m not about to throw out my happiness and joy for the rest of my life just because I want to drive a Ferrari.
So it’s it’s looking what he was doing was saying, I get that you want significance. We all do. It’s how you go about doing it that can separate you from me, right? To where if it’s not within God’s will for you to get those things or to express yourself this way, then it takes you away from him, right? You’re taking the bait of the enemy that’s saying, Here, look, look at the fully, look at all these things. You want these things, these are your desires, and God is saying, I love you, my son, and I want to give you those things, and actually want to give you more than that, and I want to show you this way. Will you join me? Is that kind of what went on in the Ukraine?
That’s it, that exactly what happened there.
Yeah, and I bet that I mean, let’s walk people through this because how many people out there in this world chase for things outside of themselves, thinking that those things are gonna bring in happiness and joy that you and I both know you don’t get unless you have a relationship with him.
Yeah, yeah. I I I think I think the the one of the biggest challenges in in this type of conversation in reality is the priorities that people put in front of them. All right. So the way to simplify it, to make everything easy, is to know exactly what is the first priority, what is the biggest priority? Okay, and and that’s what sometimes brings us back to the Bible where we say seek first the kingdom of God. I know some people are making fun of that verse, and then some people are just you know to just read it to read it, and but for me, what I see there is that God first, right? God first, and if you translate it into our today’s language, for me is listen if God considers you as a son or his daughter, it means that you have now the number one position that you could ever get in anything. If you think about priority, and then you think about classes, and then you think about okay, maybe I’m a president, right? So it means that I’m stronger than the rest of the people in a s in in a country. Oh, I don’t know, I’m I’m the judge, and when we are in a club room, I’m the boss. If you think of that that way, I’m thinking, and I’m but I believe, yeah, by being the son of God, there is nothing else that I could achieve on earth that would be greater than being God’s son. So every single thing else comes in aligned under the fact that I am already a son, that is the greatest achievement, and and and I I mean you you wanna you wanna run, but you don’t want to run wide to the point that God cannot get you? That that’s the cap. That’s the that’s the cap. That’s what you put on top. So when you’re running knowing that I don’t know, there’s not amount of money that I can make, that I could make in this world that’s gonna be more important than being the son of God. There is no there’s not a a lady that I could, I’m already married, but there’s the the the at the time I was still single, there could not have a lady that I could marry that could make me be more important than being the son of God. I could have a thousand children, it’s not about to make me more important than I’m already important because I am a son.
So when you lay that foundation down, how do you build from there? Because there’s a lot of people that are not Christian, like you and I, right? And so they struggle with this because they think uh, you know, my success and my my significance is gonna come outside of me. How do we help them build that foundation?
Easy, easy. We we just we just work. So the first thing when we put the cap and then we say I’m a son of God, the next thing that I’m looking at is why why do you even need me? Like you God, you God, why do you even need me on earth? What is the plan? Because as God, you could have just reigned on your own by yourself, you didn’t need anyone. So, what is a what is the reason why you you you have me here, and the the most easy way to look at it is from the standpoint of what are my gifts, what are my talents, what are the things that I can do, or what are the things that come easy to me that other people are struggling. Okay, so the way saying this this way helps you to discode directly envy, okay, and then it helps you to focus because so many people there are so many things happening right now, and there are so many different ways to make money. Let’s let’s take money because so many people are just you know about money. There are so many ways to make money today. Like, I I tell people that the most easy things to make on hurt is money, is is the is the most easiest thing to make. Like today, we have 12 years old, six years old, they are making millions in a year. Why? Because it’s easy. It’s easy. You can just decide to do whatever you want to do and disregard values and principles of God, and then you can make money, right? So back to this, I’m like, okay, listen. If I know already that this is the cap, what I have to do is to know exactly why God had me here. So the way that I can look at it is what comes easy to me that other people are struggling. It means that that is my lane, it means that it doesn’t matter if I’m making a million or making zero, that’s where my happiness is. That’s where I will be fulfilled because that thing was just built in me for a reason.
And so that’s what starts building your confidence. Is that it? Is that how you decoded the doubt? Yeah. So talk to us about that confidence code. I’m curious to know about it.
Okay, so the way that I I lay the confidence code is easy. I say confidence lives in action. All right. So remember, we just said I look within myself and I say, what comes easy to me that other people are struggling with? So once I identify that, I say confidence lives in action. So I have to act in that thing to become more confident every single day, right? So if it is um if it is truth that confidence is what helps you move forward, then probably you’re gonna find in um in what you’re doing the DNA of your confidence. I don’t know if it makes a lot it makes sense to people. So what I’m saying is that once you identify what you do and you keep doing it, you are building confidence. People today, the the problem is that people want to they want to buy confidence, okay? So they go on social media and then some someone tells them, Oh, you know what, for you to build confidence, you have to do this, you have to do that, you have, and then they start practicing it, and then they find themselves among people, and then they just start rehearsing it. But that’s not what it’s supposed to be. The more you do something with conviction, the more confidence to build. Does that make does that make sense?
Yes, it does, because it’s it’s the same concept in the life coaching of facing that fear. Sometimes we have fear and doubt of what if I fail? Well, what if you don’t? What if you keep practicing that one thing that keeps making you so afraid? You’re just gonna build the muscle. It’s the same thing with the mind. You’re building the muscle in the mind. What I read recently on, I think I read it, I was reading the gospel the other day, and it was more the idea that was forming in my head is watch your thoughts because they’re connected to your feelings and your words, and capture those thoughts that are doubtful thoughts because that’s not of God. You want to make them obedient to him first, right? And how do we make it obedient to him? We look at his word, that’s the sword from the armor of God, so that’s the way we go out and we fight in the world. We use the word of God and we arm ourselves with it so that we move forward in our fears and our doubts, because there’s always going to be that doubt, and that’s Satan coming in and just whispering, oh no, stay, stay, you know, you’re doing great. You can do it this way, don’t listen to him. It’s like when we were kids and we would watch, at least I would watch some of these cartoons. We did have the devil on one side and God on the other, on the other side, and they’re each whispering in your ear. And it’s which one are you gonna pay attention to? And it’s the same concept with confidence or doubt. Which one is louder? Which one are you feeding on a daily basis with your actions? If you’re feeding your doubt because you’re going against what the Holy Spirit is guiding you to do, then you’re kind of like defeating the purpose. At least that’s my concept. That’s how I understood it when you were talking. So I have a different way of looking at things, and that’s what I’m starting to discover. I’m in that discovery phase of what is it that I’m really good at that people struggle with that I can help them with.
Yeah. Yeah, that that’s you know, that is that is, and and sometimes I I love to to bring um the practical part too, right? So I tell people that um the first thing is the foundation is philosophy. People people disregard philosophy, but they don’t understand because you you’re talking about the words, that’s the same thing, that’s philosophy. It’s like God is giving you principles, giving you um um rules that you have to follow. That you that that’s the philosophy, that is the way of thinking. It has nothing practical, it’s just something that you’re supposed to, that’s the way that you’re supposed to think, and then you have beside that, you have the the practical tools, right? So, how do I make what the philosophy, how do I strengthen the philosophy? I go and find practical tools, and that’s what two things actually have been very practical to me. One was the disc assessment to help me to decode my personality and my behavioral patterns, right? And then the other thing was actually um it was uh a religious tool, which is similar to the disc assessment, but that is a two full gift, right? So before I before I found these two tools, I knew that I was about motivation, I was about encouragement, I was about I was the guy who didn’t want who didn’t like defeat, right? So no matter what the circumstances are, my spirit was always there is a way. Like even when every single person tells you that that this is it, done. That you I’m like, no, there is a way. I’m gonna tell you, let me tell you a crazy story. So I spent four years in Dubai, right? Uh in Ukraine. So, and then directly after Ukraine, go I I went to Dubai, and I didn’t I didn’t go home, I went directly to Dubai, and I spent two more years in Dubai. So I’m coming back home to Cameron for the first time in six years. And I’m so happy, like I’m like, God, thank you so much. My mind has changed. I can say I’m a different person, I think differently, I act differently. And they aligned my mom came to the airport with my little brother. They picked me up in a car, and then like, you know what, let us not go home. Let’s let’s go to a restaurant and eat. You know, we’re so happy, we treat, we’re so happy to be together after six years. And then we got to this restaurant and we took a taxi from the airport to the restaurant, and I had my little bag, just like uh like just like a little bag where you have my everything, like my passport, my credit card, every single thing. And then I got to the to the taxi when we left the taxi, we go to the to the restaurant, we sat there, we’re about to order, and I noticed I don’t have my little bag. Um I just noticed that there’s something missing. I’m like, God, there’s something missing, but I don’t know exactly what it is. It’s like okay, oh yeah, my bag. I had credit card, I have passport, I have IDs, I have cash that I already in one second the joy of six years has been reduced to sadness and misery, and I can read in the eyes of my mom the deception and the anger, and and you know, it’s like that good mood disappeared instantly, and my mom she goes to reality straight, she’s like, done this is Cameron, there is no way we’re gonna find it back. My little brother, he goes to reality straight, is like, bro, what have you done? We will never get it again, but I’m living in a total different dimension, and what goes in my mind at that moment is God, you can’t let me come to this country where you’re saying I’m gonna have fun and a good time with my family, and the first thing that happened is this is not possible. So I left my mom and and my little brother. I I I went down, and I’m trying to figure out which. Which way the taxi driver took, and then how I can get, and then I go around and I go around and I go around, take like a 45 minute, I find nothing. So I come back. By the way, my mom called her sister, her sister comes, and then now they are three, and then they are in total reality now. Now, guess what? These people are living there. I I left the country six years ago. Before I left the country, it wasn’t safe, it wasn’t that safe. I’m coming back, things are probably worse. So they are in the reality. So whatever they are saying makes 100% sense, but I’m in a different reality, and my reality is I am a son. That’s what I told you from the beginning. That thing that is the cap is that I am a son. Something like that cannot happen to me because I’m a son. So I stay, I spend three hours, and then I call a friend. It comes, my one of my my my best friend, by the way, comes we chat, and I’m like, you know what, this just happened. Um, I think tomorrow we can go back to the to the airport where the guy picked us, and then we can check. It’s 11 p.m. And listen, why do we need to wait tomorrow? We we can go now. I’m like, okay, let’s go. And then we go, we we find the receptionist uh at the entrance. We ask, anyone, any taxi driver came back here and bring something? Oh no, no, no. Do you guys have a lesson found uh um department here? No, we don’t want to have okay. Well, okay, thank you. So we’re going back to the car, we just talking, you know. No one is angry, no one is pissed. For me, it’s like I’m a son. It doesn’t matter today, tomorrow, after one month, I’m a son. And while we’re working, there is someone shouting behind and saying, Hey man, hey man, I I’m sorry, I was I’ve been looking for you for five, six hours now. You use your use your bag, here’s your little bag, and and I promise you, I didn’t touch anything. I I didn’t your money is in your passport here, your ideas here. And then he it just it just handed the thing to me. I opened the bag, I shared the money with him, I gave him half of I’m like, listen, even if I give you all the money, it is not worth the fact that you brought it back to me, okay? Thank you so much. And then I went back to to my family with my mom and my brother, and then they look at me like what just what just happened? Like it never what what just happened? We cannot understand. I was like, Yeah, you can’t understand. For me, I can understand because I wasn’t relying on the fact that oh I could call police, I wasn’t relying on the fact that I could run faster or I know someone was gonna get it. No, I was relying on the fact on the truth that I am a son and things like that for them to happen, someone needs the approval of the father, like they need to go and talk with the father and then say, we want to disturb the peace of this guy, and the father has to approve that now. I don’t care if the father says yes or no, or like in the case of John, okay, do your thing, but don’t do you know, like don’t touch your soul, don’t touch your soul. His soul is mine, his soul is mine. So I don’t care if the father with the guy is like, okay, you know what, touch this, touch that. That is not my problem. Um my focus is father, whatever you do, I’m only dealing with you, and that protects me. It doesn’t matter what the outcome of the thing is, I trust that I’m a son. So even let’s say someone is gonna say, Okay, well, you were lucky, maybe what if the the guy didn’t bring him back? I’m like, listen, I just told you I’m a son, I’m not relying on the fact that that guy will bring back the thing. I rely on the fact that if that thing doesn’t come back to me, the father will bring something that is 10 times much better than whatever I just lost. That’s where my faith is, that’s where my strength is. I’m not focused on the thing that well, he’s gonna bring it back. No, I’m focusing on the fact that I do have this relationship with the father, and whatever happens, it can only get better, not worse.
You remind me the word that keeps popping up in my head, so I know it’s the Holy Spirit speaking, so that these are his words. You let me figure out the how, your job is to obey. That’s it. You are obeying me. I’m your dad, I take care of the how, like you said. I my job is to follow him, follow my my dad’s uh word to the T. That’s that’s my job, and when you do, and you trust him, you trust in his sovereignty, you trust in the relationship with him, everything falls into place. It doesn’t matter what actually happens in the human world of things, and that’s where most people miss this. They think that that material thing is where the joy and the happiness lies, and you and I both know very, very different because we’ve experienced different, and when you experience him and his truth, and the way he has come through for you, when you have prayed to him and you have asked, and he and you have received from him, and you’ve received from him in a way that you didn’t think possible, yeah. Any other human being deemed possible, but to God it was like, oh, this is easy. Let me just move that out of the way, and it was like, no big deal. It happened to me too, by the way. It happened to me too in in 2012. Mine was uh medical complication, and six doctors walked into my room and they kind of set out to tell my parents she has an 80% chance of dying, she’s facing death. And I remember listening to all the options, and they didn’t look confident at all. Like the humans, these are the experts in the field, yeah, and they’re not confident at all. And I remember just closing my eyes and surrendering fully to God. Like I do remember those commercials, you probably don’t, but in when I was a little kid and I would visit my family in Mexico, I would see these commercials of people falling into the like like the trust thing, the the trust exercise into the pool. In my case, it was into Jesus’ arms, and I remember falling into his arms as they were talking. I nothing else could touch me. It was like God’s providence of like, I’ve got you. You’re my daughter, and I’ve got you. And I remember asking him for a second chance. And the next day, they I prayed in a circle with a woman and my boyfriend at the time that now is my husband, and a love that was out of this world entered the room. And I just remember feeling peace wash over me and knowing that I had been saved. That the medication they gave me was like that wasn’t that was that just gave them their, you know, the science, yeah, yeah. It was beyond that because they weren’t confident, right? And aside from that, they were expecting I had pulmonary embolisms and I had what was known as Bud Carrie syndrome, and that was like a major blood clot that was clotting up the vena cava, that was the the main vein that transports the blood out of main organs in your body. I mean, it’s a pretty big vein and very important vein to your physical body, and it was totally clotted up, it was just a slither of blood that could get by, and that was what was causing the 80% chance of dying, right? That that was that was it, and they expected me to have holes in my lungs, they expected me to have severe long-term complications, and lo and behold, I already knew the truth because he had already told me. And the interesting thing was he told my boyfriend too, because as soon as the lady walks out of the Catholic diocese who had um prayed the Lord’s Prayer over us, or be our father for the Catholics, this is Easter Sunday morning. This is what is known as resurrection day for the Christians, and this is when I received my three miracles in hours. So, like you, when you surrender to the sovereignty of God, when you trust him, nothing gets in his way if it’s within his will. If that’s within his will, it will happen. But like you said, you mentioned Job, but there was one thing I wanted to mention about Job that I heard the other day from someone who’s read Job a lot. Like that’s his favorite book in the Bible. To me, it scared the beat Jesus out of me. Really, it did. I was like, why are you directing me to read Jeremiah and Job? I don’t want to know. And the guy told me Satan was up there with God, he was he was up there and he was asking for permission. That should tell you something about God’s sovereignty. Yeah, you know, he’s over, he’s they have to ask him permission, like you said earlier. They have to ask the father, hey, can I do this? And he has to give the order that yes, it’s okay, kind of like what he did with Job, because you’re you’re his kid, you’re his kid, and he’s gonna protect you, and he will protect you if you ask for protection, if you talk to him and you are in relationship with him, he will definitely protect you, and he will protect you in a way that no one deems possible.
But to God, that’s everything that’s actually what makes it even beautiful, because I I usually tell people with God there’s no surprise. Like with God, there’s no surprise. The surprise with God the extent of the surprise with God is the extent of the knowledge that you have of him. I don’t know if it makes sense, but you are only surprised by God as the extent you know him. So if you know him very well, you know his mindset, you know his word, you know his values, you know his principle, you know who he is, there is less room for surprise. There is there is less room for surprise. So do you know that God can allow something to happen to you just because you have to see something else? Yes, you know that. So why are you mad when something happens to you? Why are you going crazy? Do you know that no matter how worse the situation is, God can reestablish the thing and then twist it to something that is was even that is now even much better than what it was? Do you know that? Yeah, you know that. So why are you just wobbling all the place? Like that’s that’s a reality, right? That’s a reality. I think people are struggling because they have what I call protected joy and protected happiness and protected, you know, things that they protect, they don’t want to give away. They’re like it’s it’s just like you you you have a million dollars or ten million dollars, and then you’re like, I don’t want to give it away. I’m I’m ready to try all the things, but if it comes to this, I’m not about to to play with that, I’m gonna protect that, right? And wow, if that’s what you want to protect, probably you’re never gonna experience what is beyond uh million dollars. Because what if beyond a million dollars there’s three million dollars? What what if beyond that there is there’s there is healing? Because what are you gonna do with the money if you’re sick and you’re about to die? Maybe at that time you would like to exchange money to health or something. So yeah, I mean, people honestly, and and it takes time, you know, it takes time, the fellowship with God, um listening to the Holy Spirit, um, make sure making sure that you are in the world and in and in his word, because that’s what builds your faith. Okay, it’s the same thing, that’s what builds your faith. Your faith is as strong as what you know about God. People who don’t know God, of course, their faith is fragile because they don’t really know him. But people who do know him, their faith is gonna be stronger because, well, they know exactly what he’s capable of, right? So, my idea when I was saying people have protected joy and protected things is because one of the other verbs that I really really um that really helped me in the Bible was when the Bible is talking about when when um um in Romans I think so, he’s talking about the people who experienced who died without seeing the things that God promised them, but they view it before dying. And he said, Paul said they were still in total faith that God will do it even for the generation that are to come. So it puts me in a situation that the first thing, the first guy was that Amazon. The other thing, the other world is that well, you know what, he is God, even if I don’t see what I want to see, it doesn’t mean that he’s not going to do it. He can do it through my daughter, through my sons, he can do it to the tenth generation of me, my lineage, right? So it doesn’t matter how selfish are you now to say, okay, you know what, because it’s not going to happen with me, I will just throw that away, and I will go to the other side, and then I will part with the devil just because I want to enjoy life. How selfish of you, right? So it is not God saying it’s not going to happen. Maybe it’s God saying, I don’t just want it to happen with you. Because when I see the other side of it, it’s bad. Maybe we are just we are killing 25 generations after you. That’s why I don’t want it to happen with you. So, what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna be like uh David, and I’m gonna say, David, you’re not gonna be the one building the temple. We’re gonna wait for Solomon.
But you’re gonna, but you’re gonna set up the foundation for that to happen. That’s it. You’re part of the plan, you’re just having the plan that you envisioned, but rather that he said, This is gonna, but you’re still part of the plan.
That’s it. So that’s why I say people have protected joy because for them the joy there is to be actually the one who’s building the temple, and then the one that has been seen as, oh wow, you saw what this guy’s doing is the one who’s spending money, is the one who’s building the temple. But God maybe doesn’t want you to be that guy, he wants you to be the guy who is gonna work hard and find the land and find where you’re gonna build it. He wants you to be the one who’s gonna argue with 10,000 other people to say, you know what, don’t build a commercial center here. And for 25 years, for 50 years, that’s gonna be your assignment. Fighting with people, making sure that they don’t build a community center or or a commercial center there, because 20 generations after you, you will find someone who will come and build that right there.
And you did mention this early in the interview. I’m gonna bring it up now. David’s gift set might have been for that. Like his gifts, this is where he’s gifted, this is his purpose, his divine purpose is aligned to the gifts that he gave you to use for the betterment of humanity and to be part of that plan, and sometimes what we think and what God knows about us. Sometimes that doesn’t align. And that’s that’s the part of the journey of like inviting the Holy Spirit and saying, okay, I surrender to you, I surrender to your sovereignty. What is it that you need me to do? How what are my gifts and how do I use them for your glory and for your plan?
Oh, there’s does this guy who say something. I I listened to it recently. I I don’t know if he’s a Christian, it wasn’t even a Christian thing, but it makes sense. You say the problem where the most people have a problem with exploitation, because early they get into exploitation, they don’t explore enough, and then they convince themselves that they are good at something, and then because the world now knows that they are good at something, even when they notice that this is not really my calling, it’s not really what I supposed to do with the rest of my life, they feel ashamed to step back and then to say, okay, what is my recalling? And today you have so many people who are locked into exploitation of an industry or an exploitation of a department or a position in life, they are deep deep there, they know that this is totally disconnected from their calling. But just because the world has clapped for them and and and shared for them, you know, and give them that authority, like you know, this is this is the person that they can’t step back, like they are so ashamed or afraid, I don’t know what, but they can’t step back to say, okay, you know what? I want to be, I just want I want peace and happiness and joy, and I want to make sure that after this 25-minute life that we are all having on earth that could end up anytime. I want to make sure that I’m still good. I want to make sure that I’m with him. That is the most important. Like it doesn’t matter. Bible says good things, bad things happen to everyone. Everyone can there are people who are um there are people who are holier than us. I mean holier ten thousand ten thousand times than us. But we just passed away yesterday, we just passed away a minute ago when we are talking right now. It has nothing to do with that, right? So what matters is eternity. Where am I gonna spend that? Now, some people think that it doesn’t matter. Well, that’s where we we Christians it does.
Oh, it does, it’s it’s the graduation of our life, you know, into the second part of it where we get to be with him. And I’ll tell you, if I get to experience the love every day while I’m there in heaven, the same love I felt in that I see here room, I’m in. I want to be there. It is the most all-encompassing, so accepting, so oh my goodness, it is so different than the lovely experience here on earth. I want that. I so want to be there and and be in his presence. And if I could do that every day, and I do, my coffee chats every morning with him, and we chat back and forth. And sometimes there’s an argument, and sometimes there’s not. Sometimes there’s a lot of crying on my part, and he’s like, I see it, it’s okay, you know. Uh, there’s it’s a relationship that I have with him. But if I get to do that every day and I graduate into heaven, I’m all I’m all for that. I want that.
It’s a it’s a real relationship. People see that. It’s a real relationship. Sometimes it’s full of of disagreement. It’s like, no, God, why? Yeah, of course.
Especially when we face tribulations, especially. And just in recent weeks, we I have, and and I’ll sit there and I’ll go, please just help me. Yeah. And I’ll go back to the armor of God. Like, let me put on my helmet of salvation, I put on my breastplate of righteousness. And I’m barely starting to do that, and I want my kids to know about that as well, right? So if I wanted to work with you, where do I find you?
Well, on my website. On my website, I have a website uh 3wmpenvisions uh.com. That’s my website. Um, on the website, I do have one of the tools that I Spoke about um just a minute ago the the disk assessment is is over there, it’s free because I personally believe that once you have passed the level of knowing exactly what your calling is and what you were made for the next level is understanding you better understanding you. You have to be able to understand your wiring, you have to be um able to understand your personality. God gave you a personality for a reason. There are so many people who are running away from their personality to become someone else, right? But God wasn’t crazy to let you have the personality that you have right now. Yes, your environment somehow built that personality, and if you will, you could change it, but what percentage of that personality could you change? That that is something that we we argue a lot in in a science space. But you know, knowing exactly how you solve problem, knowing how you um create relationships or relate with other people, um, knowing how you pace work, what is your own reading of pacing work? Knowing how you respond to regulation and standard and rules set by other people, that’s something that’s gonna help you tremendously. And then so that tool is available. If someone goes to 3wmp and visions.com, they will find it. It’s free. I’m not I’m not charging because I’m like, listen, get it, get your report, learn about yourself, and adjust yourself as much as you can. And then on the same website, I do have two programs that have been running for eight years now. People ask me all the time, but why are you running the same program all the time? I said I I believe that this is these are the two programs that human beings need to have a great life. So one is strategic, strategic self-positioning, which is related to the disk, and then the other one is uh visionary mastering, is helping people having a clear, what I call a clear mental picture of their preferred future. So you don’t want to run just like you know, you don’t want to wake up in the morning, one morning, and then you do one thing, and then you wake up the next day and then you do something else. That you need to follow a canva, right? You need to follow a canvas, and we we have this opportunity, we have this blessing that we can call the father in the space and say and build that canvas with him. Like God is not a God who will build a canvas without you. It’s not like okay, you have to now is he he gave us that blessing so we can get in a in a space with him, and then we can just like we say, it’s a relationship, we can argue with him, we can discuss with him, we can say, Well, don’t you think also that maybe at this point I also need a little bit of this and all the bit? We can pint that together, right? So that is the vision. So once we once we we we we get out of the room and we already built the vision, then we use the second program to say, Okay, now I have the vision. What in me will help me to complete the vision? How am I gonna do it? How am I gonna achieve it? To to come back to the beginning of our relate, uh what conversation it was just the problem is not the what to do, most most of it is how to do it. I want to make sure that the way that I do it pleases him, the way that I do it keeps me in a relationship with him, right? So, yeah, I have it all there on the on the website, and then this day I I hang out a little bit more you know on TikTok. I don’t know why I came to since I uh I came to Canada two two two and a half, almost three years now, I hang out a little bit more on TikTok. In Dubai was mostly Instagram guy, but now uh TikTok uh is is my name.
Okay.
Well, it’s great to have you unreleased that reveal purpose. Any last words of encouragement, since you are a man of encouragement.
Oh yeah, yeah, I I love doing that. So, what I would say is that I would say to people that know exactly what God has called you to do. There are a lot of tribulation that’s gonna come your way because here’s the truth. Here’s the truth. Someone who doesn’t go after what God has planned in advance for him has less tribulations. The devil doesn’t want to deal with you, not that much, as long as you’re not focusing on getting what God said, this is yours, the devil doesn’t have any problem with you. He’s gonna let you run the way that you want to run. The very moment that you said that you recognize what God has planned in advance for you, and then you say, God, I want it. And I don’t just want it, I want it all. That very second, the devil’s gonna call all his friends, and then we have their meeting, and it’s gonna be about bringing you down. Now, the option of going up or going down is how much do you believe the vision that you received? Because if you really truly believe in that painting we talked about, it doesn’t matter if you’re gonna go down or you’re gonna go up, you’re gonna fight with every single thing that you have. And the blessing is that everything you have comes from him, so I’m pretty sure he has the best tools and weapons for you to fight the battle. That’s it. So know exactly what God called you to do, and then get along with people. Don’t don’t stay don’t stay in your corner, like get some people, some good people. I’m not saying that go out there and be friend with everyone, but get some good people in your corner. It is hard and difficult and challenging to be on yourself. And by the way, one of the strategies of the devil is to have you alone, is to have you cornered somewhere where you can talk to people, and sometimes in those spirit of battles, what he’s gonna do is that it’s gonna make sure that you are in a cold time with every single person who could help you. So for you, it’s just a physical thing, it’s a physical disagreement, is that but spiritually, what he’s trying to do is that he’s gonna take you apart from people who could actually step in in prayer, in I don’t know, their own way to help you, but people who could step in with their heart to help you. So don’t stay alone, don’t corner yourself. Find one, two, three people and make sure that you pray, make sure that you you you you you read the Bible, make sure that you guys share strategies, and yeah, and keep believing. Believing, for me, believing is is greater, is is greater than any other strategies. That’s the first strategy. It’s like believe, surrender, surrender to what you believe, surrender to what you believe.
I love that, and I do want to end it on that, and also end in saying, what a blessing to have you on my podcast. Thank you for joining me, Pascal really, and for sharing your wisdom with the listeners of release that reveal purpose. And as I always sign off, uh remember Matthew 5.14 to always be the light because this world needs you to be. Look what he’s done with his light, you could do the same. Just have the courage and the belief that God, God’s will and God that you are part of this big plan of his. Have a wonderful week. Stay safe, love y’all. Bye now.
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