The applause was loud, the flights were first class, and the ladder kept climbing—until Angie realized she couldn’t hear her own soul anymore.
What follows is a candid, faith-infused journey from top-performing medical device sales rep to global traveler to founder of Sacred Rebellion, a free community teaching the 12 principles of peaceful revolution. It invites people from all backgrounds to learn principles modeled by Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, and Gloria Steinem, then apply them through micro actions that support foster youth, ocean cleanup, and more. It’s hope with a plan: bridge-building language, nuance over binaries, and a vision of change held with unwavering faith.
We talk about what it really takes to quit when your identity is built on quotas and validation, why surrender isn’t a one-time grand gesture but a daily practice, and how true impact begins with an open heart.
If you’ve felt the whisper to do something braver with your life, this conversation offers both the courage and the compass. Subscribe, share this with someone wrestling with their next step, and leave a review to help others find the show. Your story might be the bridge someone else needs today.
If you want to get involved with Angie’s free community connect with her on Instagram @sacredrebellion
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Transcript:
If you’ve ever struggled with fear, doubt, or worry and wondering what your true purpose was all about, then this podcast is for you. In this show, your host Sylvia Warsham will interview elite experts and ordinary people that have created extraordinary lives. So here’s your host, Sylvia Warsham.
Hey light bringers, it’s Sylvia Warsham. Welcome to Release. And lots of similarities between Angie and I. I read her history and I was like, really? Come on. She left medical device sales over seven years ago and then lived in over 40 countries. I mean, that blew me away when I read that. I thought, how neat, what a neat life. And she’s here to share with us her story of transformation, that first act, kind of moving through the 40 countries and then landing now in the space that she finds herself in. So without further ado, Angie, thank you so much for joining us on Released Out Review of Purpose.
Hello, thank you for having me.
It’s awesome. And where are you healing from, Angie?
Where are you at? I am in Denver, Colorado. So of all the places I’ve lived around the world, I ended up in good old Denver. And I’m loving it actually.
Well, who wouldn’t write mountains and fresh air and awesome weather? I mean, I would be all over that. I mean, I’m in Austin, Texas, and you don’t want to be outside right now. It’s humid, it’s hot. No one wants to be outside. So I’m I’m grateful that you are still in the United States and that you have this awesome story to share with us. So do dive in to your story transformation.
Yeah, okay. So I guess uh to give you a little backstory before the quitting of the corporate, which was the scariest thing I’ve ever done. Uh, and if anyone’s thinking about making the move, and I’m sure you can also relate. Um, but the reason that I ended up making this move at the height of my career was um I studied social impact in college, right? So uh while everyone else was training to be an accountant or a lawyer, I um I was really, really fascinated with understanding the big global environmental and social challenges, the climate change, all of the humanitarian issues, the human rights issues. And so I studied all of that in school. And this was before everybody else was talking about it. I think now what’s going on in the world, everyone is kind of paying more attention to some of these big issues. But back then, I won’t date myself, nobody was really talking about it. And all I wanted was to find a way to make an impact. But then there’s this kind of conundrum that we all face where we want to do something good for the world, but we also have to make money and we have to support ourselves. And I came out of school with almost$300,000 in student loan debt because I got a master’s from the University of Miami and it was expensive, private. So, you know, I tried so hard to figure out a way that I could kind of like make enough money to pay my debt and also make an impact and kind of do something big in the world. But like so many other people, I was kind of forced to become normal and get a real job. And I kind of just made this decision that if I’m gonna do this, I’m gonna make a lot of money then. So I did similar to you, I got into the medical device industry. It’s a very male-dominated industry, highly competitive, and I climbed that ladder fast and furious, and um, I was one of the top reps, just like you. I um was with a really small company that got really big really fast, and you know, I got to climb when they climbed. And uh about six years into it, I ended up, I got a promotion, and at that time I had started kind of taking these trips. Like I took a trip to Thailand all by myself for two weeks. And if my father could have chained me to an inanimate object to prevent me from doing that, you know, like he would have done it. But every trip I went on, first it was Thailand, then it was Bali, then it was this cruise with like 300 other people, and I started meeting all these people who were kind of traveling and having online businesses, and then I would come home to my, you know, huge responsibility in my three-bedroom house and my you know car, and I just realized like if you don’t go and do this now and go and see the world and experience life, you’re gonna regret it for the rest of your life. Uh, so I actually had gotten this promotion to do international sales where they were paying me to to go around and travel, and it sounded really good on paper. I was flying first class everywhere, I was status with all the airlines, but it was actually so lonely and so isolating. My whole life was hotel, business meeting, airport, repeat, you know, and I just realized this this just isn’t it. And if it’s not this, then there’s no way I can go back to you know being being a rep. So it was uh August in 2018. I quit my career, packed up my three-bedroom house and left to see the world and to find my true, true purpose and figure out a way that I could make an impact and make money doing something that felt good in my soul.
Wow. That was a journey, wasn’t it? And I could totally relate with your dad because my dad, even though my dad actually promoted me to go to France when I was a junior in at the university because I was dating this guy that he didn’t like, didn’t approve of. Um, and he was right, he was a cheater, and I sh I had no business being with him. Um, but I can totally understand a per uh a father’s fear of like, what are you doing? Do you not have purpose? Do you not have I think for men it’s really hard because they have a great sense of identity versus women, women we are because we nurture and we’ve been modeled to nurture to others, we forget to kind of nurture ourselves at times. So I commend you for nurturing yourself into saying, Hey, you know what? There’s more to life than this, and I want to go and explore and find out. So do tell us how did you find out that what you wanted to do in this act that you’re currently doing, what were those steps and those lessons learned?
Yeah, well, I think because I had um studied international development in college, I knew I wanted to do something big involving social impact, something big involving some of these big societal and global issues, you know? And I think most people or a lot of people, like they’ll get into their careers, which are like a normal career, and then that kind of voice just kind of quiets down, or maybe you have kids, or maybe your life takes another path where maybe you find your purpose in other ways. But for me, that that whisper, that scream telling me I was meant for a different path, it didn’t go away. It actually got louder to the point where I couldn’t ignore it anymore. It was like this voice of my soul telling me if you don’t do this, you’re gonna regret it. And I think when I started traveling, I started connecting with a community. The big pivotal moment was I went on this uh adventure called the Nomad Cruise. And I um it’s a cruise that left out of Spain and then it traveled two weeks across the Atlantic and it ended in Panama, and it was with like 350 other people. So I met all these friends, and then the day we landed in Panama, they all got to go continue traveling, and I had to go right back. Like I had to fly out that day to go back. Just getting two weeks off of work is unheard of in corporate America, where in other parts of the world, like they work to live, not the other way around, you know. So then I’m back, you know, working 60 hours a week to catch up because I had just taken this two-week holiday, and now I’m watching on social media while all of my new friends are, you know, working on their businesses and you know, jumping into the ocean in Panama from, you know, and so I think that was when I really had this pivotal moment. But I want to say though, like, you know, to your point, you know, with people not supporting you, that was the scariest thing I had ever done because I’m sure you can relate. Medical device sales wasn’t just a job, it was my identity. And as a person who really had this need for the validation and even like malvalidation, if I’m being totally honest, you know, when you’re in this industry, you’re like your name is in the lights, and it’s like they want you to make these quotas, and you know, there’s this competition, and they’re always calling your shout-out if you make the number, you know, and it’s all fake. It’s literally all fake, but it does become this thing that really kind of fills your ego and makes you feel like you’re doing something right in life. And it became my whole identity. I had the money, I had the success, status, wealth, I had the shoes and the handbags to prove it. And then when you decide you’re gonna do something that is so against what society expects, nobody’s gonna support you. There’s nobody that’s gonna say, like, I think you should follow your dream. It’s like they watch you jump into the ocean and they’re all just kind of peering over to see if you’re gonna drown or not. And you know they’re all talking about you, you know, and it was like all my career mentors, all of my girlfriends, all of my family, like there wasn’t a single person who supported this idea except my travel friends who were also doing the thing and had also made the jump, you know. And so that’s where you really, if you’re feeling this call that you’re meant for something different, it really forces you to like find that voice within. And if you’ve been a people pleaser your whole life, sometimes you don’t even know how to hear that voice, or you don’t even know you have a voice, you know? And so, as much as this was about a journey around the world, it was also about a journey of getting to know myself and coming home to myself, something that I think as women we’re taught to abandon ourselves at such a young age in our whole lives. And so it’s really this journey of I left the I left the United States to travel the world, and in the process I learned how to come home, but come home to myself, you know.
Totally, oh my god, as soon as you said that, I felt the the the presence of the Holy Spirit. So I knew that that yes, there’s a true connection between you and I. I can totally relate to the whole identity piece. When you have, and that’s what I was trying to say earlier. Like your father had, and all the men in our life, really, the majority, very small percent, just don’t know their identity. The majority do. The majority from the moment they go to college, they know who they want to be and they become that person. And so men have a really hard time understanding the females that don’t know. They’re like, How can you not know? Biologically speaking, we’re very different. I didn’t learn this till like about three years ago. I read a book that really changed my view on men and women, and the the reason why we don’t see eye to eye on situations, right? And one of them was that biologically speaking, men have a sense of identity since the time they’re little boys, versus the woman. The woman is the nurturer, the gatherer. She was taught from a very young age to look after everyone else. And sometimes we fall into the ego trap of we’re looking and taking care of everybody else if we forget to take care of ourselves. And in doing so, everything around us falls apart because we are the pillars of our home. We’re the ones that the kids come to and say, Hey, mom, I’m having this or that, or you know, and the men are typically and traditionally the providers and the protectors, right? And from the caveman days, this has been biologically speaking, this is how men are created to be. So your father coming to you and saying, What are you doing? makes total sense. Because I don’t get it. How can you not know who you are? Like you already have a job and you have significance and you have salaries and you have security. Don’t you want to stay there? And it’s like, no, that’s not what I want to do. And there’s this big clash that starts to happen. It happened with my dad, who was like, You should have been a lawyer, you should have been a doctor. That’s the that’s the idea of success. And I’m like, but that’s not what I want to do. And it’s like, no, no, no, no, no. Get into you need security. So he was the one, he was the reason why I went into pharmaceuticals in the first place. I was living in Dallas, Texas at the time, and I had taken the LSAT just to appease my father. And I was always the one searching for my father’s validation because I never had it. I never felt like I had it, and it no matter how many achievements I achieved, and believe me, like you, I was a super high achiever, perfectionist, completely killed myself doing it. I was when I got married young and I started to you know be on these boards of directors, like the American Heart Association Board of Directors, and I chaired a gala, and my father still wasn’t satisfied. He’s like, No, you could have been a lawyer, you could have been a doctor. It’s not enough. Gotta do more. And then it was like I was trying to get a promotion of Pfizer. I got several no’s and finally get a promotion. I finally become number one. I’m standing on stage. I’m like, is this it? Wow, this doesn’t feel like happiness. You know, but like you, we seek validation outside of ourselves. That’s not where happiness happens. Happiness occurs when we turn inward and we start listening to our soul identity. Because, in my opinion, there’s two identities kind of battling it out constantly inside of us: the ego identity and the soul identity. And the ego is based on the modeling we received and the experiences we had, the significant emotional events we had in our life, creating these belief systems that don’t align to the person we’re becoming. The soul identity is the person we are becoming and the person we were created to be. But we have all these layers of fear and limiting beliefs and patterns of behavior and habits that just don’t align. All these lovely things covering up our light. And so when we start to turn inward, and in my case, I’m very faith-based, I started turning to God in very dark chapters, and he started to guide me out of that dark space into my light, into becoming an author. Had I not listened to his prompting, I would have never become an author. I would have never healed my relationship with my dad before he passed away. I would have never become a podcast host or anything like that would have never happened because I still would have been operating from that ego identity, which was achieve, achieve, achieve, achieve happiness. You know, so yeah, totally agree with you on that. And I I loved how you said it. The more the more I tried to ignore that voice, the louder I got. I find that so cool because it does get loud and it gets so incessant that you can’t turn away from it. And when a prompting becomes like to the point where you just cannot turn away from it, it is what you are meant to do. So once you took that action, tell me, NG, did you feel peace as soon as you said yes to that?
Um actually, no, I didn’t. Okay, feel the peace because uh, well, first of all, I just want to comment on something that you just said. I think the way that I look at it, which is very similar to what you were saying, is like your soul wants to take you on a journey, but in order for you to answer the call and to go on that journey, you have to go against the ego, the protective self. But it’s like the soul doesn’t operate with fear and logic. And we live in a world, especially with the men in our life that are very based on this fear and logic, right? And so in order for you to make the jump and to follow the path that your soul is trying to take you, it’s it goes against, it defies logic. It doesn’t make sense. It’s it’s something that um is kind of like transcends that and it and it’s something that you do have to do based on faith. And I think the reason why it didn’t get automatically easier for me is because I made the jump, but then I was still holding on and I had so much fear, I didn’t have trust in God, I didn’t have um the I didn’t, I had so much trauma in my body and so much conditioning that it took me a long time. And I think the first few years of the travel, while I was traveling the world and seeing the most beautiful, breathtaking things that life in the world has to offer, I was also on a big journey of healing myself and healing that people pleaser and and acknowledging that fear. And, you know, I went through a period where I didn’t talk to my dad because I had to step away in order to be able to heal myself, you know. Um, and so it didn’t necessarily get easier, but it did, there was this feeling like I know I’m on the right path. And just because everyone else can’t understand it doesn’t mean that it’s not right. It means that I’m listening to a different voice now, right? It’s the voice of God, it’s the voice of my soul, you know, however one defines that. Um, so there was like I guess a piece, but I wouldn’t necessarily say it was easy, but I also don’t regret it. It was, it was like the right thing, you know.
You’re right. And I’m glad I asked that question. I’m glad you said no, because I think most people think, oh, you made the choice and then it’s over. It’s done, it’s a dumb deal. No, life isn’t life isn’t like that. It’s always a journey. You’re still gonna have moments of grief, you’re gonna have these waves that are gonna hit you. But what it does teach you, and this is what I heard you say, and not so many words, was the more you stepped out in faith, the more you stepped out in courage, the more you found your way. Yeah, and that piece, that is the piece that most people don’t want to do because they’re f they want to see the path before them before they step into it.
Yeah, yeah, because we live in this logic-based world, right? So um it takes a lot of courage to choose this path.
Well, and we’re programmed to look for the negative and the fear-based belief systems. We are programmed that way. We have to, as a life coach, we when we coach clients, we’re like, you gotta search for the positive in life. It doesn’t just automatically come to you. Your mind is conditioned to look for the negative in everything. You have to train your mind to focus on the positive and the gratitude pieces that every day gives you. Those moments will fly right by you because you are searching for these big moments, and those sometimes exist, yes. Sometimes you’ll have a moment of clarity, and then you’ll have smaller moments in between, and then big moments of clarity, and then small moments in between. And I thought it was gonna be small moments and then that was it, or like these big moments, and then poof, I’ve reached the pinnacle, and that’s not the journey of life. And the more you understand God’s character and understand his word, the you start to see how it applies in your own life, and how things are just unfolding in your life, and you realize you come, you start realizing that you will always have difficult moments, and you will also have moments of joy, and it is a balance, and it is a view of you’re never there. You you get there when you transition into heaven. That’s when you graduate. In this life, you will always be leveling up, you will always be in growth mode, always, because there’s always things we learn about ourselves with every experience we have.
Right, and growth is not linear, right?
No.
Right.
One would hope and one word wish.
Yes, but now I do think though, the more that you lean in, it doesn’t necessarily get easier. It just becomes a different kind of hard. And the more that you lean in and you listen to that that journey that the soul is trying to take you on, the more that there is this feeling that you’re being guided. So even when you’re going through a dark part where you can’t actually see where you’re going, there is this feeling the more you lean in that it’s like I’m surrounded by light and and this is gonna lead somewhere. And then oftentimes, even when you can’t see it in the midst, almost always when you look back, you can see like, oh wow, what a miracle, you know, what a miracle that was. And the more you lean in, I feel like the more miracles you end up receiving.
So and what does it leaning in mean to you? Can you kind of describe for us what that looks like for you?
Hmm, that’s a good question. Um, I think for me, the thing that I have to constantly do is remind myself to surrender, right? And that the way you get to, because I have really big goals, and the way that you get to where you’re going is not pushing and forcing. It’s not about how many hours you put in. It’s about how much you can surrender and allow and receive and invite miracles to happen, right? Um, that’s the way that you’re ever the way that you’re gonna get to this big thing that you want, it’s not logical and it’s not gonna be strategy, it’s gonna be miracles, which requires you to surrender and acknowledge that you might not have all the ways. And so it’s kind of just like allowing the space for for something else to come in, you know.
You touched on a really good thing, surrender, and that piece is by far the biggest level up I’ve had so far. We always think surrender is when you’re facing six doctors in a hospital room like I did in 2012. Yes, that’s surrender too, because there comes a point in a major crossroads like that, a medical emergency where there’s nowhere else to go but faith and just surrendering into God’s hands and just letting Him take the reins of what the next step is. Because in my case, like for example, the medical team, they weren’t confident I was going to survive the night. So you don’t have a choice. Then comes the peace of daily surrender, and daily surrender is a tough one because we’re used to being in what we think we’re in control, that’s just an illusion of the mind, just like perfectionism is too. It’s an illusion of the mind that we hold on to that prevents us from leaning in, from allowing the abundance to really seep into our lives, because God or universe or whatever it is that you look up to is dying to give you the abundance that and and answer the prayers that you want. What it requires of you is that surrender piece is to say, all right, I’m gonna do my thing. Like I’m gonna follow you, and I’m going to follow what honors you, and you’re gonna take over, and you’re gonna do the rest. And what for me, what taught me daily surrender was when I got uh when I heard my father what had received a medical, a terminal medical diagnosis. His tumor was back, uh, tumor that he had never quite got rid of since Vietnam. And he was 84 years old, and the doctor said there’s nothing else we can do, we can’t do radiation, we can’t do surgery, and you’ll die on the table. It was August of 2023, and in those years, I had been really high on wanting to find my identity in Christ and been watching all these shows, all these faith-based shows, and one of them was the war room, and it’s about this couple that whose marriage is falling apart, they’ve been married for 16 years, and this little lady uh who plays a lot of these in the Alex Kendrick films, she’s always the one that prays and that guides the the young women, and in it she describes a war room, it’s called the war room. War room is a closet, a prayer closet that you that you design, and you go in there and you go to war against the true enemy, which is the evil forces in the spiritual realm, causing havoc, right, in your in your marriage, what we term spiritual warfare. And so I was going in there daily and just kind of laying it at God’s feet. I don’t have control over my father’s diagnosis. I am laying it at your feet. I would baw my eyes out. Um, I had zero control of the situation. I lived away from my parents now. I live in Austin and they live in South Texas, so it’s a good six and a half, seven-hour drive if I want to drive it, an hour flight, and I was doing that every month. I was gonna see my dad and pretty much say goodbye because I knew it was coming. But in that process of daily surrender to God, I learned how to do it, and I did it in the darkest chapter of my life to date, right? Because one of our biggest fears as human beings is the loss of a parent. If you’ve never experienced it, I know that I, ever since I was a little girl, losing my parents was a big fear, and I’m really just thinking that grief is gonna swallow me whole. Like I just I don’t know if I’m gonna be able to put one foot in front of the other, and I have so much to do in my life, and I don’t know how I’m gonna do this. And God said, You rest on me. I am the one that’s going to give you the necessary strength. And from one day to the next, I felt the supernatural strength and courage to face this fear, and it came out of nowhere. But we all know, you and I both know that it didn’t come out of nowhere, it comes from him, and he’s always been there guiding us through our soul. Our soul and our spirit are aligned. If only we just turn inward every time we’re facing something not as great, and even in the everyday, even when you are having your best life, you still turn to him for guidance, you still turn to your soul and say, Okay, what’s next? What do I what do I do? How do I honor you guys next? What else can I do? And I found that in doing that, I was able to the day he died, have I actually did experience peace the day he died, and I was able to write his obituary that night and um start organizing his celebration of life, and it it kind of blew me away because I never pictured my father dying and me being able to do that, and knowing that he had graduated into heaven and was whole and his body wasn’t betraying him anymore, and that that was actually gonna bring me some level of peace. So I totally get surrender, leaning in. That’s what we want to do on a daily basis. That means let go, guys. Totally let go of that. Need to control your circumstances and allow God to give you more of that beautiful light. So, do you find yourself having like what’s your purpose now, Angie? Do tell us, like, where did you actually land after medical device sales?
Uh, well, I went again, growth is not linear, so I went down a lot of um different paths. And it’s interesting when you talk about surrender and kind of like letting those miracles in because I’ve had so many moments of that. But uh basically what I’m working on now is I have this community membership uh for people who care about social impact, right? So I think so many people are looking around right now from both sides of the aisle, like it’s not political. It’s no matter who you voted for, what your beliefs are, what your spiritual religious beliefs are, everyone’s looking around the world and feeling a little bit overwhelmed, a little bit powerless, a little bit hopeless. We’re all feeling like the division that’s um existing in our society and that split that seems to be getting wider. So I’ve created this community that’s totally free where you can come in and I teach the 12 principles of peaceful revolution. And I draw these from leaders of the past like Martin Luther King Jr., Gloria Steinem that led the women’s rights movement, Mahatma Gandhi that freed India from British colonial rule, but even all the way going back to Jesus Christ, right? Like all of these leaders taught the same principles and they just applied them to the challenges of our time. So I have this free community where I teach these 12 principles, and then after you complete the principles, you can take part in our impact campaigns. So you can get involved with foster kids that are aging out of the system, you can take action to help clean up the oceans, and we get these campaigns sponsored uh through grants and through brands that are kind of aligned with our mission. Um, and you actually can collect points for completing these micro actions that you can then use in our swag shop. You can meet community, we do live-in-person events. So there’s just tons of ways for you to get involved with people who are really interested in building bridges rather than burning bridges and that are interested in kind of rising above this division and finding ways that we can create a more awakened humanity uh together. And the interesting thing about surrendering is that I went through this huge shift that came as a result of hitting a rock bottom moment where when I first started out on this journey of figuring out how can I make the world a better place, there’s all these problems in the world, there’s all this, you know, like the oceans are filling up with plastic and the forests are getting chopped and the animals are, you know, when you’re staring at it through the lens of your own fear, it seems insurmountable, right? And that’s what all of the peace leaders have taught us is that the way that they were able to change history wasn’t by fighting with logic and strategy. So you see people who are showing up on social media and they’re banging the drum from their position, whether it’s this or that, right? And all they’re doing is creating echo chambers and all they’re doing is increasing the division and they’re actually not building any bridges. And I spent my whole life going down one existential dead end after another. How am I gonna save all of the elephants from becoming extinct? How am I gonna save all of the homeless puppies? How can we find a way to make children stop dying of preventable illnesses just because they can’t get the medicine? You know, you’ll really put yourself in a dark place if you if you rely on strategy and logic alone. And it wasn’t until I hit this rock bottom moment where I had to admit that my way was not working, this is not the way, that it opened up space for me to start looking at some of these peaceful leaders of the past and realizing that the way that they were able to overcome insurmountable odds and bring down oppression and change history was not with strategy and logic. It wasn’t by pushing and forcing, it wasn’t by fighting against anything. They fought by doing the inner work to lead with an open heart. They sought reconciliation with their enemies, not revenge. They appealed to the humanity and everyone, and and they helped themselves remember their own humanity, right? And they believed so firmly in the world that they knew was possible that they held it with unwavering faith, right? So when they were trying to fight for, you know, for a certain change in society, they held it as if it was their current reality, and then eventually life responded in kind, right? So they operated on pure faith, but they also did the inner work to open their own heart, which is, I believe, like the most courageous thing that we can do is to open our heart in a world that will give you a million reasons to close. Um, you know, it’s it’s and then to keep your heart open and in the face of you know, whatever is happening in the world that might seem like it’s coming from fear and hatred and division, right? And I think that’s the change that the world so desperately re needs right now. But I only discovered this when I hit that rock bottom moment. And when you talk about the war room, for me, it’s always my bathtub. It’s always like with the water on, you know, it’s face down, like my face, just like in this position of supplication and surrender, like I don’t have the answers. And that makes space for the answers to come where I say, well, maybe, maybe, hun, maybe you’re doing it wrong. Maybe it’s not coming up with the strategy of like this 10-year plan for how we’re gonna solve this problem. The problems that we see in society today can’t be solved with logic, they can only be solved with something bigger than all of us. We can’t use the same consciousness that created the problems, which is the fear, the unconscious fear, to solve them. And so we need to come together as a humanity and teach ourselves a new way. And I and I think sometimes these hard times, it’s always happening for you. Always. Um, you know, even when it seems like it’s all falling apart. Sometimes that’s what needs to happen, you know?
I love so love that you created this community, and I want to be part of it. So I don’t want to get the deeds from you after this interview. And before we even close off, you got to give the deets to everybody else to join. Because as you were talking, what came to mind was the Kerr County flooding. I like you was watching social media, and what started to happen, all the blaming started. Oh my goodness. And you know where my heart went, Ingie, to those parents whose daughters were still missing from Camp Mystic. I was like, I don’t care about that right now. I care about finding these babies and getting some closure. So what can I do? If I can’t be a first responder on the ground, because they couldn’t, they didn’t allow but but first responders on the ground, what could I do? And I remember we had one of my um my 10-year-old’s uh best friends in in in the house that Sunday that we were talking about it after church, and I read some threads of our neighborhood was gonna get some supplies ready for those homes in Leander and in Carrick County that had overflowed and stuff, and get cleaning supplies and just different things. And so we took the girls to Home Depot with us to teach our kids. Like, even we just roll up our sleeves when something tragic happens. We don’t sit there blaming each other. We what can you do? And think about it from that perspective, like be led by the soul. The soul is leading us to give back immediately. Then there was another opportunity to provide. Um, there were these big charitable events that were occurring all over Austin to help support the communities that had been, you know, impacted the greatest, right? And there are our neighboring counties. So I remember I I belong to something called the Austin Good Deeds Society. And my good friend Megan Tole is the one that leads that that charge. And like you, she’s very innovative, very positive. She doesn’t look to blame, she looks to like, what can I do? How can we help? And we’re bridging more uh we’re we’re bridging the gap through uh reconciliation instead of you know the blinging. And so she came together with her husband, who also is chairman of the board of Texar, and that’s a big organization here in Texas that supports the the first responders. And they were doing this big event at Moose Arts Coffee in in Austin, and they said, okay, you can just buy regular tickets or you can buy like platinum tickets, and each ticket was 250 bucks, and so we donated about a thousand dollars, and a hundred percent of those proceeds were going to Texar and some other organization that was helping first responders. But as you were speaking, I was thinking of that, and I was thinking of all the people on social media that that all they did was what what did you call it, the echo effect? Like where it was just like the negative oh, creating an echo chamber. Echo chamber, thank you. Um and I thought to myself, there is a time and a place to discuss this, and now is not the time. Yeah, now is the time to roll up our sleeves and as a human race, forget our politics, forget our race, none of that matters right now. Just as human beings, what can we do to help each other? So I commend you. I don’t know what what is the name of your organization?
It’s called the Sacred Rebellion. There, Sacred Rebellion.
And that’s what it’s called. At sacred, like at secret okay at sacred.rebellion.
Yeah, the thing about it is that you have to keep in mind that politics only exists to divide. They need us to be divided because that’s how the power structures work. If everybody is having these conversations and they’re kind of like able to hold space for nuance, and if we’re encouraged to kind of see the truth in both sides and recognize that the real truth exists somewhere in the middle, then the power structure, this polarity of like the left versus the right, the red versus the blue, it can’t exist. It needs people to be divided. And so they use anything that happens in society and they politicize things that actually should just be global humanitarian issues. And I mean, like, for instance, if you guys remember back to the PTSD we’re all experiencing from COVID, right? It’s like they take these issues of like, well, if you don’t do the thing, then you’re a this name, and they use this dehumanizing language, right? Where the truth is, is like the world would look much different with if we didn’t have vaccines. We need vaccines. And at the same time, I have concerns about how the vaccines are made. So can we weigh both sides and can we try to find the truth that exists in the middle? Because the truth is, is we’re both right, but politics doesn’t want us to have those conversations. They want us to be divided. It’s either this or it’s that, it’s black or it’s white, and there’s no space for nuance, right? And so, in a way, they’re like, they’re lobbying these propaganda campaigns against us, and it’s up to us to be able to take a step back and to rise above that and to say, like, I’m not gonna be conditioned by this anymore, right? And I’m not gonna see a person that voted differently than me as my enemy. I’m gonna seek this reconciliation and I’m gonna try to find a way that we can build bridges because that’s really the only hope that we have, right? That’s really the only hope.
Yeah, it is, and I totally in total agreement with you. I see it, and there’s just so much division. It it breaks my heart that nobody can see. And you’re right, they’re both right, and at the same time, they’re both wrong in their approach. Yeah, only moment, I’m like, can’t you all see that? Like, it’s so obvious. But when but when people get caught up in the emotional part of things, that’s where the all logic goes out the door, too. And that’s why there’s it’s a balance. How can we be more compassionate, empathetic, and yet also kind of like how how can we actually make things happen? Yeah, because you still need some level of strategy, but it’s not all strategy, and it’s not all emotion, it’s uh the right amount of emotion and the right amount of logic, and then we’re probably gonna align right in the middle.
Yeah, what I like to say is like uh so the peace leaders of history, they taught what they call soul force, right? Which is this like alignment, right? They the alignment with the power of truth and love. It’s like leading with an open heart, um, the way that we’re that we’re reaching across the aisle. And when you do this inner work to create this alignment, and when you create change from frequency first by holding the vibration for the change you know is possible, then when you take action, it becomes supercharged because it’s being kind of like supercharged by the love that it’s like being rooted in, right? So if you’re leading from fear and you’re taking action, then it’s like you’re trying to climb this mountain and you’re not actually getting anywhere. But when you kind of surrender it and say, look, I can’t do this alone. I need the power of the higher power to come in and kind of guide me, and I’m gonna open up my heart and I’m gonna I’m gonna fight, but I’m gonna fight with love, then your actions become supercharged and you realize that you don’t have to fight against anything, right? And it’s the same like when you’re speaking out on social media, right? If you’re speaking from this anger and you’re constantly banging the drum of everything that’s wrong, you become exhausted and your words repel, right? You’re pushing people away and you’re creating echo chambers where it’s just a bunch of people who believe like you do. But when the intention shifts within you and the goal is to actually build bridges and to help everyone remember their own humanity. And remember yours, your words carry a different vibration, right? That’s when the miracles are able to happen because the goal is actually to build the bridges rather than to burn them, right? And I think that makes all the difference.
What a way to end this episode. I’m gonna end it there because seriously, that was brilliant how you stated that. And I don’t want to muck it up. So thank you so much, uh Angie, for joining us. I think we now know how to find you on Instagram. Is there a web page? Is it the same?
Yeah, I can um give it to you to link in the show notes if you want, and then uh people can join. Like I said, it’s totally free and it helps us as well because the more people we have in the community that are taking these microactions, the more we’re able to go to our investors to say, look, we have a community and they’re engaged. So it gives them the incentive to want to fund the projects because they know that we’re gonna get the engagement to be able to um to really make an impact. So, and the thing is about uh the stuff that you’re learning, it’s like we commit to these principles because we we want to make a better world and we wanna be the leaders and we wanna, you know, we want to lead with peaceful revolution the same way that Jesus Christ and all of our forefathers did. But we also in the process end up freeing ourselves, right? Because when you learn to lead with an open heart, it changes the way that you’re experiencing life. And so many of us are just going through the motions, you know, with a closed heart, and we’re actually only scratching the surface in terms of what life can be. So the principles are something that you do kind of for humanity, but you end up freeing yourself in the process. So most people really love that part of it.
I love it. Reba, thank you so much, Angie, for joining us on Release Doubt Reveal Purpose today. And for the listeners, remember Matthew 514 to always be the light. Stay safe. Love you all. Bye now. Thanks, Sylvia. Thank you, Angie.
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